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06.09.2011, 22:29
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Hmm...looks like somebody was about to get on their high horse.
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06.09.2011, 22:39
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| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | Hmm...looks like somebody was about to get on their high horse.
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Nick | | | | | Pffff! Mine can be much higher than that! | This user would like to thank Nil for this useful post: | | 
07.09.2011, 12:03
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| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | I really can't believe that anyone could be so fluffeh-brained as to think that dogs on seats in public transport could ever be acceptable, ticket or not 
Gorra wonder what world some dog owners live in, sometimes  | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | e with large dogs have to pay Halbtax. People canNOT pay the right for their dogs to sit on a seat !
Here the law about it | | | | |
In all actuality, I allow my dog on my sofa at home but of course in someone else's space, it's either not allowed OR I have a blanket to lay down for her.
Meanwhile, I can't imagine a dog much bigger than "purse sized" being comfortable on tram seats, I don't imagine they'd feel comfortably balanced. Even if I didn't care about people getting their britches messed, I'd want the dog on the floor anyhow so that the dog would feel more secure while traveling.
Yes, I'm a bit of a fluffy BUT I think that the dog would be more likely to freak out due to balance issues while perched precariously on the seat rather than sitting or laying comfortably on the floor at / near my feet.
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07.09.2011, 18:17
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| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | Today I saw a woman with a huge dog in the tram. Totally untrained and kept barking. It kept jumping up on her and the vacant seat next to her. Finally she allowed it to sit on the seat throughout the journey.
Is that allowed? Feel sorry for the person who would have to sit on that seat afterwards and smell like wet dog.
booooo.  | | | | | Well sometimes the " alcos" smell alot worse than the dogs
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07.09.2011, 18:37
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| | Re: Dogs in tram
I find that some of the dogs are the best tram drivers they have.
There's this bitch on the #14 Seebach run that always has a polite smile in her eyes before she slams the doors shut and speeds away from the little old lady with her shopping cart running in trail.
Nice poodle BTW.
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07.09.2011, 19:06
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| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | On the other hand, people with dogs that size have to buy them a ticket to ride as well so, it's a bit of "fair is fair" - dog's seat paid for, dog gets seat.  | | | | | Sorry, but I strongly disagree. A dog does not belong on a seat. Period.
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07.09.2011, 19:53
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| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | 
Oh look, feets on seats is forbidden - what a surprise!
I really can't believe that anyone could be so fluffeh-brained as to think that dogs on seats in public transport could ever be acceptable, ticket or not 
Gorra wonder what world some dog owners live in, sometimes  | | | | | I haven't seen any signs like that on Basel trams. Is the picture on the far left someone blowing the head off of the person in front of them for talking too loud?
And what is the second one? No pennilessness allowed? (this is getting fun now)
The third one means "no marriachi bands",
the fourth one means "no sawing the chair next to you in half"
and the fifth one means "do not elevate your foot above your heart as this will make it fall asleep"
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07.09.2011, 19:57
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| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | Sorry as it is a part-no. PeoplTiere - Kleine Hunde, Katzen und ähnliche zahme Kleintiere dürfen in Taschen, Körben und anderen geeigneten Behältern gratis mitreisen.
- Nutzhunde werden kostenlos befördert. Als Nutzhunde gelten Blindenführhunde in Ausbildung, Lawinensuchhunde und Assistenzhunde für motorisch behinderte Menschen. Die kostenlose Beförderung wird aufgrund einer auf den Namen des Hundes lautenden Ausweiskarte gewährt. Die Ausweiskarte kann beim Statthalteramt bezogen werden. Die Belgeitperson eines Nutzhundes muss einen gültigen Fahrausweis besitzen.
- Für alle anderen Tiere lösen Sie bei einer Einzelfahrt eine Fahrkarte zum ermässigten Fahrpreis 2. Klasse (Erwachsene, Halbtax) für ein Monatsabo einen NetzPass Monat (Preis persönlicher NetzPass Monat, Jugendliche bis 25 Jahre) für ein Jahresabo einen persönlichen NetzPass Hund (Preis NetzPass Jahr, Jugendliche bis 25 Jahre). Die Begleitperson des Tieres muss natürlich ebenfalls im Besitz eines gültigen Fahrausweises sein.
e with large dogs have to pay Halbtax. People canNOT pay the right for their dogs to sit on a seat !
Here the law about it | | | | | It doesn't say anything about a seat. it only references the obligation to pay for a ticket. And let me also point out that children and seniors also pay a half price. Should they also not have a seat?
I am not arguing to put a dog on a seat, but I am arguing that there is no rule about it. That's all.
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07.09.2011, 20:53
| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | Your post shows an interesting point about EF. Doubtless there were 100,000 passengers without dogs on trams today, and many hundreds with dogs that didn't bark or sit on seats. Just sayin'... | | | | | Well we could all post about all the normal things that happen, and the normal everyday people that we see and meet, but that would just be twitter.
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07.09.2011, 21:12
| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | Today I saw a woman with a huge dog in the tram...It kept jumping up on her and the vacant seat next to her. Finally she allowed it to sit on the seat throughout the journey. | | | | | Old dog learns new trick. | 
07.09.2011, 21:21
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| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | - Für alle anderen Tiere lösen Sie bei einer Einzelfahrt eine Fahrkarte zum ermässigten Fahrpreis 2. Klasse (Erwachsene, Halbtax) für ein Monatsabo einen NetzPass Monat (Preis persönlicher NetzPass Monat, Jugendliche bis 25 Jahre) für ein Jahresabo einen persönlichen NetzPass Hund (Preis NetzPass Jahr, Jugendliche bis 25 Jahre). Die Begleitperson des Tieres muss natürlich ebenfalls im Besitz eines gültigen Fahrausweises sein.
| | | | | This is pure racism! Dogs have their own Netzpass Hund but if I want to take my weasel in the train, it is treated like a dog!
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07.09.2011, 21:45
| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | This is pure racism! Dogs have their own Netzpass Hund but if I want to take my weasel in the train, it is treated like a dog! | | | | | Just tuck your weasel away. You'll be okay as long as it doesn't pop out.
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07.09.2011, 22:07
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| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | This is pure racism! Dogs have their own Netzpass Hund but if I want to take my weasel in the train, it is treated like a dog! | | | | | If it fits in a bag, it can ride for free (if you accompany it and have a ticket yourself).
See http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/vbz/de/i...erungmeineshun | 
07.09.2011, 22:08
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| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | I am not arguing to put a dog on a seat, but I am arguing that there is no rule about it. That's all. | | | | | There's probably no rule because almost everyone considers it common courtesy not to put a dog on a seat. | The following 2 users would like to thank Mark75 for this useful post: | | 
07.09.2011, 22:12
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| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | That's a good thing.
Imagine buying a cat in a bag and having to pay a ticket for it when you are on the way home.
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07.09.2011, 23:32
| | Dogs' dirty feet and hair on tram seats | Quote: | |  | | | There's probably no rule because almost everyone considers it common courtesy not to put a dog on a seat.  | | | | | Indeed.
There's probably also no rule that explicitly tells one that one can't buy a second ticket for one's bag, sit it on the seat opposite one in the rush-hour, and refuse to move it when asked because it "has a ticket". But I don't think one would get away with that, either.
Most countries have expected norms of behaviour that are expected of, and met, by the vast majority of the population without being explicitly legislated for. It's what makes life livable.
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07.09.2011, 23:51
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I don't understand why people are giving the OP a hard time. He made and observation and posted a question in daily life. A mod moved the post to complaints, which I didn't think it was in the first place, and then everyone else coming along after treats it with the usual scorn complaints get treated with.
Because the homeless might make a tram smell or a toddler might pee on a seat doesn't make it right for a wet dog to sit on a seat.
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07.09.2011, 23:53
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| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | On one hand, I agree.
On the other hand, people with dogs that size have to buy them a ticket to ride as well so, it's a bit of "fair is fair" - dog's seat paid for, dog gets seat.  | | | | | I wonder if someone put's their toddler in a bag if they get to travel for free? | 
07.09.2011, 23:59
| | Re: Dogs in tram | Quote: | |  | | | I don't understand why people are giving the OP a hard time. He made and observation and posted a question in daily life. | | | | | You're new here, aren't you?
The OP broke the unwritten rule on EF that one musn't (daren't!) post anything that is, or could in any way be construed to be, anything less than 150% positive regarding the pets (e.g. dogs, cats, small children, etc.).
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08.09.2011, 00:08
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Yeah...I only knew about the kitty mafia!!
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