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Dogs in tram

Today I saw a woman with a huge dog in the tram. Totally untrained and kept barking. It kept jumping up on her and the vacant seat next to her. Finally she allowed it to sit on the seat throughout the journey.

Is that allowed? Feel sorry for the person who would have to sit on that seat afterwards and smell like wet dog.

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Today I saw a woman with a huge dog in the tram. Totally untrained and kept barking. It kept jumping up on her and the vacant seat next to her. Finally she allowed it to sit on the seat throughout the journey.

Is that allowed? Feel sorry for the person who would have to sit on that seat afterwards and smell like wet dog.

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On one hand, I agree.

On the other hand, people with dogs that size have to buy them a ticket to ride as well so, it's a bit of "fair is fair" - dog's seat paid for, dog gets seat.
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Re: Dogs in tram

No it's not allowed and the dog needs a ticket too.

Your post shows an interesting point about EF. Doubtless there were 100,000 passengers without dogs on trams today, and many hundreds with dogs that didn't bark or sit on seats. Just sayin'...
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Re: Dogs in tram

Do you often write completely in bold font ???


OK, so I don't condone poor behaviour by dogs or it's owners.

But really...... how often do you see this?

I'm cool for someone to blow off some steam about a real issue, but an isolated incident is a bit much.

Tram seats can also smell of of human urine after the homeless have sat there.


This should be in the complaints thread, not daily life.


and yes, I agree with you, the dog's owner was WELL out of line.




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Do you often write completely in bold font ???


OK, so I don't condone poor behaviour by dogs or it's owners.

But really...... how often do you see this?

I'm cool for someone to blow off some steam about a real issue, but an isolated incident is a bit much.

Tram seats can also smell of of human urine after the homeless have sat there.


This should be in the complaints thread, not daily life.


and yes, I agree with you, the dog's owner was WELL out of line.




I'm having a bad day


well it is a daily life observation
plus writing in bold is so much more fun.
and i have seen this a couple of times already.
have a good day then

p.s I am crossing my fingers for which seat you should get on the tram today then
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Re: Dogs in tram

Looks like a complaint to me. I nearly changed the 'dogs' in the title to 'one dog' but changed my mind instead.
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Re: Dogs in tram

I was wondering about the rules about dogs on trams, but soon gave up when I couldn't find anything. The only rule I've come across is that you have to buy the dog a ticket (unless it's a small enough dog that you can fit it in your bag). But I've seen NOTHING about what part of the tram you have to sit in, no dogs on the seat, or anything. Naturally, the only way a dog will learn how to behave on the tram is by training and experience. You see dogs all the time that stay in the pram area while their owner goes off and occupies a seat. (basic sit/down stay with owner at a distance). But then when more people board and the prams start coming on and the dogs tail gets run over... oh give me a break. that's just downright disrespectful!!! I'm not even going to try and train my dog to tollerate that type of nonsense from my fellow passengers.

So when I did ride the tram with my dog (and I don't anymore) I kept the dog with me where ever I could find a seat, and I did get some stink eyes for it. I didn't let him jump up into a seat (though I readily admit I thought about it), but he did stay on the floor. My dog is quiet unless given a reason to talk. But people talk on the tram, and kids yell (especially when they travel in packs). Why shant the dog talk? Especially if it is a dog inexperienced with the tram? Can't he say, "Oh please bow wow can't we get off? rawwwwr! I really hate this!!! ruff ruff All these people are looking at me funny!!!! bow wow"

I think what is unsaid is the fact that there is an expectation a dog would be trained to behave properly on the tram. But do we know if the dog was old or young? Was the owner a freshly arrived expat? had the dog ever been on a tram before? Maybe -- and I'm giving the owner and the dog the benefit of the doubt -- the owner was exposing the dog to the tram for the first time, and this was a stressful event, hence letting the dog get away with undesirable behaviors. Afterall, when training a dog, you can never expect perfection the first time, or even the second time. I'd still like to know where it is written about the rules for dogs on the tram, other than buying the dog a ticket. I'm more inclined to believe it is more a social expectation than an actual rule though.
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Dogs, you say?

We should be so lucky!

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We should be so lucky!

Does she have a Robidog bag tied to her pony leash?
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Re: Dogs in tram

I have no problem with dogs on trams but whether they go on the seats should be a matter of judgement from the owner; if the tram is busy is it right to let a dog take up a seat? Similarly, if you are on the way home from a mucky wet walk, perhaps the dog shouldn't hop up onto a seat where someone is going to sit who isn't togged up in dog walking gear.

I think it just has to strike a sensible balance.

When our dogs were mucky, wet or moulting they weren't allowed on our furniture or beds unless they got cleaned up / dried / brushed-out first then we put the "dog blanket" down first so they didn't mess up the furniture.

Why should the treatment of dogs on public transport be any less?
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I have no problem with dogs on trams but whether they go on the seats should be a matter of judgement from the owner; if the tram is busy is it right to let a dog take up a seat?
I agree with you in principle, but the dog does have to have a ticket. Who should give up their seats to whom could be a whole other topic of discussion.
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I agree with you in principle, but the dog does have to have a ticket. Who should give up their seats to whom could be a whole other topic of discussion.
But could it be that the ticket is for the dog to just ride on the tram rather than have a right to a seat? Some dogs are just too massive and gangly to sit on one of those seats plus those trams with the wooden seats are lethal for dogs and their slippy claws (think: dog trying to get traction on a tiled/parquet floor).
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Oh look, feets on seats is forbidden - what a surprise!

I really can't believe that anyone could be so fluffeh-brained as to think that dogs on seats in public transport could ever be acceptable, ticket or not

Gorra wonder what world some dog owners live in, sometimes
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Re: Dogs in tram

As a mother and toddle alighted the other day from the tram, I grabbed place where the pissey assed toddler had been perched next to his mother...

Needless to say, a few dog hairs would have been far less trouble than that bright orange pee stain I had to walk around with for the rest of the day...

If if bothered you so much you could have asked the owner if they minded getting the dog down from the seat. If not then I think it is better to shut up and put up.

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Today I saw a woman with a huge dog in the tram. Totally untrained and kept barking. It kept jumping up on her and the vacant seat next to her. Finally she allowed it to sit on the seat throughout the journey.

Is that allowed? Feel sorry for the person who would have to sit on that seat afterwards and smell like wet dog.

booooo.


In short, no. If a controller had entered, the controller would have told the woman to take her dog down immediately. But let's be realistic, a majority of above 90% of all dogs on trams behave quite nicely. You cannot take the exception as the rule.
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On one hand, I agree.

On the other hand, people with dogs that size have to buy them a ticket to ride as well so, it's a bit of "fair is fair" - dog's seat paid for, dog gets seat.
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e with large dogs have to pay Halbtax. People canNOT pay the right for their dogs to sit on a seat !

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Absolutely. Unlike plane tickets, a tram or train ticket is for the mere transportation, not necessarily for a seat. As for dogs, common sense tells me (a dog owner), that a dog sitting on a tram / train seat shows bad upbringing -- of the owner, of course.

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Sorry as it is a double-no. Peope with dogs of whatever size do NOT have to get a ticket. People canNOT pay the right for their dogs to sit on a seat !
Wolli, didn't we have a huge threat just recently that stated exactly the opposite? On trains, you must have a ticket for a dog that cannot be carried in a bag on your lap, and I think that applies to trams and busses too. Please don't tell me I wasted a lot of money in Zurich in the last few months.
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Wolli, didn't we have a huge threat just recently that stated exactly the opposite? On trains, you must have a ticket for a dog that cannot be carried in a bag on your lap, and I think that applies to trams and busses too. Please don't tell me I wasted a lot of money in Zurich in the last few months.
Sorry, but had to correct it, as things have changed. When the grandmom of a schoolfriend took her dog onto the tram it was free-of-charge, but that quite clearly no longer is the case. It on trains has been that way already in the 50ies, but then not yet on the trams. No, you did not waste any money as the VBZ as being part of the ZVV changed the rules long ago.
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Sorry, but had to correct it, as things have changed. When the grandmom of a schoolfriend took her dog onto the tram it was free-of-charge, but that quite clearly no longer is the case. It on trains has been that way already in the 50ies, but then not yet on the trams. No, you did not waste any money as the VBZ as being part of the ZVV changed the rules long ago.
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