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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

Convenience, speed, ignorance, misunderstanding, to antagonise - or any combination of these.

I used to pick up on the errors but don't bother now. It is usually obvious what people mean.

There was a long thread about this. As I recall, the general conclusion was that it is probably the English language that is wrong. In the majority of languages, the country name is a variation of 'Swiss' rather than 'Swiss Land'
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Surely even you chaps from Blighty can see that...?
Is that "Blighty" in the "Europe" sense, or the "Britain" sense, or the "England" sense", or indeed in the "Anywhere but here" sense?


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I find this discussion rather silly actually, from the standpoint of names in general.

If you meet someone who introduces themselves as Paco, would you call him Frank? What about Pedro, would you call him Peter? I make effort (but mangle slightly, sorry! ) to call Angela by her name as she pronounces it and appreciate that people go ahead and call me Peg as I introduce myself rather than calling me "Margaret" or "Margarita" or whatever Peg may be a diminutive name for in their native language.

So, why do we call Switzerland "Switzerland" as opposed to Suisse, Schwitz, Svizzera or Svizra - and even more, "jump on" people, calling them "stupid" for NOT calling it "Switzerland"?
But that is a whole other point....something way different and not relevant. The name of where we live now, in English, is Switzerland. Thats not laziness, or inability to pronounce it.....its what its called. If I'm speaking German, or French...I don't call it Switzerland. In English, you wouldn't call Lake Geneva, Lac Leman. Every city, every country has a version of its name in every language - whereas people don't
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In English, you wouldn't call Lake Geneva, Lac Leman.
Oooh, I know plenty of English speakers who do exactly that...

They're like people who pronounce 'paella' as pa... oh, never mind...
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I grew up in Denmark and when I told English people they asked me if spoke Dutch.
i am Swiss and my friends in other countries ask me if I speak Swedish
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Old 10.09.2011, 12:50
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Oooh, I know plenty of English speakers who do exactly that...

They're like people who pronounce 'paella' as pa... oh, never mind...
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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

Well, I often pronounce German words without emphasizing the proper umlaut. But, thankfully, the Swiss usually don't seem to mind -- particularly if I get my point across.

So I could care less if someone chooses to abbreviate Switzerland as "Swiss" or "Switz" or "CH."

Perhaps this is a bit unrelated, but I've wondered before if "Germans" ever get annoyed when people refer to their country as "Germany" rather than "Deutschland." I guess I've never known why the two different names exist, especially since they are so different, phonetically. Suppose I could try to Google it...
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Oooh, I know plenty of English speakers who do exactly that...

They're like people who pronounce 'paella' as pa... oh, never mind...

I'd just like to pay Omage to you, in a Radio One poseur sort of way
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Perhaps this is a bit unrelated, but I've wondered before if "Germans" ever get annoyed when people refer to their country as "Germany" rather than "Deutschland." I guess I've never known why the two different names exist, especially since they are so different, phonetically. Suppose I could try to Google it...
Well, Deutschland in a German sentence, Germany in an English on. What I can't stand is the "gud auld Tschööörmäni" denomination that some TV presenters are known to use.
Just call countries and people by the name that they officially have / have chose for themselves, anything else is just rude. Even if they introduce themselves as Pipilotta Pepperminta...
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Old 10.09.2011, 13:24
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Just call countries and people by the name that they officially have / have chose for themselves, anything else is just rude. Even if they introduce themselves as Pipilotta Pepperminta...
Is it rude, then, for the Swiss or Germans to refer to "France" as "Frankreich?"
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Is it rude, then, for the Swiss or Germans to refer to "France" as "Frankreich?"
I think it's rather that "Swiss" is an incorrect term for Switzerland, not a linguistic difference.

It's like calling a car a "metal" or calling a dog a "barking" or a carrot an "orange". People incorrectly use the adjective "Swiss" (i.e. Swiss watch, Swiss chocolate) when they mean to use the proper noun, Switzerland.

Saying "Switzerland" in a different language isn't the issue, but "I live in Swiss" would be like saying "Ich wohne in die 'Schweizerisch'" which I imagine most Swiss people would cringe at.
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I think it is just stupidity.
If you don't know the name of the country you are living in, then what on earth are you doing here
That thinking would make for a lot of Aussies who don't know where they live, plus part of my family who have chosen to live in a lovely country that they call Oz.

Think of it as a term of endearment; or a convenient shortening of a long word. Or a fun play around with language. Personally, I like to write Swizzy or Swizzyland - but then Kiwis' often change words to put a "y" at the end.

My favourite name variation though, is "Rowmania" which I have recently seen used by some keen Romanian canoeists.

Do we have to be so judgemental of others? A little kindness and tolerance goes a long way.
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I think it's rather that "Swiss" is an incorrect term for Switzerland, not a linguistic difference.

It's like calling a car a "metal" or calling a dog a "barking" or a carrot an "orange". People incorrectly use the adjective "Swiss" (i.e. Swiss watch, Swiss chocolate) when they mean to use the proper noun, Switzerland.

Saying "Switzerland" in a different language isn't the issue, but "I live in Swiss" would be like saying "Ich wohne in die 'Schweizerisch'" which I imagine most Swiss people would cringe at.
I understand the differences...
I guess it's just that, being that I myself live in a foreign country and do not speak the language correctly (e.g. not always conjugating correctly, often struggling for the right word, etc.), I've grown much more tolerant of others' incorrect use of language.
And the last time I checked, tolerance was still a virtue... no?
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I understand the differences...
I guess it's just that, being that I myself live in a foreign country and do not speak the language correctly (e.g. not always conjugating correctly, often struggling for the right word, etc.), I've grown much more tolerant of others' incorrect use of language.
And the last time I checked, tolerance was still a virtue... no?
Absolutely but I am glad when my family, friends and colleagues give me a nudge in the right direction with my German. It puts a stop to some of the mistakes I make.

I would still be saying "Ich bin kalt" if someone hadn't corrected me...

Likewise, I give hints to people learning English. If they tell me to piss off and mind my own business, that's fair enough, but most are happy for the tips and are more willing to ask me next time they have a question.
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That thinking would make for a lot of Aussies who don't know where they live, plus part of my family who have chosen to live in a lovely country that they call Oz.

Think of it as a term of endearment; or a convenient shortening of a long word. Or a fun play around with language. Personally, I like to write Swizzy or Swizzyland - but then Kiwis' often change words to put a "y" at the end.

My favourite name variation though, is "Rowmania" which I have recently seen used by some keen Romanian canoeists.

Do we have to be so judgemental of others? A little kindness and tolerance goes a long way.
True. The context in which it used is far more important. It wouldn't bother me too much if somebody posted "I love to visit Swiss" but would object to something like "I hate Swiss. Everyone there is idiotic"
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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

Yeah, I'm thankful for the corrections as well... and I'm also thankful that I'm not usually accused of being an "idiot" simply because I have used a word improperly.

(Oops - forgot to quote Sandgrounder on this one).
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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

Romania or Rumania?

Brasil or Brazil?

England or that piece of flotsam just off France....?
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Romania or Rumania?

Brasil or Brazil?

England or that piece of flotsam just off France....?
Rumania, Brazil, Blighty.
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In English, you wouldn't call Lake Geneva, Lac Leman. Every city, every country has a version of its name in every language - whereas people don't
Things are very complicated, aren't they? Decades ago, there was a report on Switzerland in an American magazine (I don't remember which one). It said that Switzerland has three languages, and even cities, lakes, rivers and the like have different names, depending on the language. As an example, the reporter mentioned Lucerne, of which he wrote that in German it is called Luzern, in French it is Lausanne and in Italian it is Lugano.

A Letter to the Editor, obviously sent by a Swiss (!) with a sense of humor (!!!) stated something like, "You forgot to mention the fourth Swiss language, Romansh, where Lucerne is called Lugnez."
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Brasil or Brazil?
Depends... I'd say Brasil if I would be talking their mother tongue (which I do). If you are talking in English, then Brazil. Though no one will get offended with a s- or z-...

Don't think it's the same problem as with Swiss/ Switzerland. I was also a very good patient student that learnt not to call "England" to that piece of land just off France (though it took some time to actually understand the weird looking rock was actually more than one country squished together)...
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