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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

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English, you wouldn't call Lake Geneva, Lac Leman.
why not? sometimes i do. maybe i'll even start calling it Lake Leman from now on. maybe Lake Leman, Swiss.
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Old 10.09.2011, 15:45
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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

Well, it is a Swiss lake.
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maybe i'll even start calling it Lake Leman from now on. maybe Lake Leman, Swiss.
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Well, it is a Swiss lake.
I thought it was in Indiana...
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Old 10.09.2011, 15:54
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In English, you wouldn't call Lake Geneva, Lac Leman.


I'd never bothered to compare maps in different languages (or look at any of Switzerland produced here) so had no idea that Lake Geneva and Lac Leman were the same.

As the Swiss German name for Geneva is "Genf" (right?), the lake then in Swiss German is called... what?

(Not being a wise-ass, am honestly striving to learn something... )
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Old 10.09.2011, 15:55
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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

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i would say it was a non-native speaker mistake, simple as that. there are a few different clues in there that lead one to believe the speaker is not native english / american-english speaking.

indeed, the author writes english like german is his or her mother tongue.

"I am afraid, I will be let go soon, and my permit will expire in November."

- the comma after afraid is a very german way of writing, "ich befurchte, dass.."
-no american refers to "the dole" as "the dole"; we call it "unemployment"
- other not incorrect but odd grammar useage

me thinks you're reading into it too much!
To be honest, I've never heard anyone say 'Swiss' instead of 'Switzerland'. Yes, I would say something or someone is Swiss, just as I would say someone or something is French or Irish or Belgian etc. I agree, I think this person's 'Muttersprache' isn't English.
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Old 10.09.2011, 15:57
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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

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I'd never bothered to compare maps in different languages (or look at any of Switzerland produced here) so had no idea that Lake Geneva and Lac Leman were the same.

As the Swiss German name for Geneva is "Genf" (right?), the lake then in Swiss German is called... what?

(Not being a wise-ass, am honestly striving to learn something... )
It's Genfersee.
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To be honest, I've never heard anyone say 'Swiss' instead of 'Switzerland'.
I think it is mainly a written problem.
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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

I'm Swiss, but I'm from Switzerland ...
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Old 10.09.2011, 17:03
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I'm Swiss, but I'm from Switzerland ...
OH! Now I understand....the country is SwitzerLAND and the people are Swiss

Job done. Thanks
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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

It's a good job the people of Suisse Romand clearly differentiate between the noun and the related ajective, isn't it?
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Old 10.09.2011, 17:11
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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

This thread is about words in ENGLISH. Who cares about wherever Suisse Romand is.
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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

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More or less. The battle "Elle est suisse" vs "Elle est Suissesse" is still going on... no clear winner yet.
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Old 10.09.2011, 17:16
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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

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It's a good job the people of Suisse Romand clearly differentiate between the noun and the related ajective, isn't it?
I had no idea this would be a 4 pager. I expected somebody to say something like "Coz both are right" or "its called that in America"

Or DB to dig up some piece of archaic cobblers to explain it
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Old 10.09.2011, 17:19
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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

I was curious what my Swiss husband would have to say about people referring to Switzerland as "Swiss," so I asked him:

"Have you ever heard anyone refer to Switzerland as Swiss?"

His reply was: "Yeah, but it's usually just because they're being lazy and abbreviating."

Who knows...
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This thread is about words in ENGLISH. Who cares about wherever Suisse Romand is.
It's relevant because many of our members are not native speakers of English and may have been confused by the fact that the adjective 'suisse' and the name of the country 'Suisse' are pretty much the same in French (they're also the same in Italian, at least for the feminine form of the adjective).

Add that possible source of confusion to the fact, mentioned above, that speakers of some other languages refer to the country as 'Swiss' or something almost identical, and we might have something resembling a convincing answer to the question posed in the OP.
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Re: Why do people call this country Swiss?

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It's relevant because many of our members are not native speakers of English and may have been confused by the fact that the adjective 'suisse' and the name of the country 'Suisse' are pretty much the same in French (they're also the same in Italian, at least for the feminine form of the adjective).

Add that possible source of confusion to the fact, mentioned above, that speakers of some other languages refer to the country as 'Swiss' or something almost identical, and we might have something resembling a convincing answer to the question posed in the OP.
Except the abusers (or "totally mentally retarded" as categorised earlier) tend to be American or Indian :-)
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Except the abusers (or "totally mentally retarded" as categorised earlier) tend to be American or Indian :-)
Like I said: not native speakers of English.
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I had no idea this would be a 4 pager. I expected somebody to say something like "Coz both are right" or "its called that in America"

Or DB to dig up some piece of archaic cobblers to explain it
There were quite a few pages last time as well
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There were quite a few pages last time as well
Poo...sorry....I would have searched but "Swiss / Switzerland" kinda clogged up the system a little bit
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I'd never bothered to compare maps in different languages (or look at any of Switzerland produced here) so had no idea that Lake Geneva and Lac Leman were the same.

As the Swiss German name for Geneva is "Genf" (right?), the lake then in Swiss German is called... what?

(Not being a wise-ass, am honestly striving to learn something... )
I have to confess that as much as people calling Switzerland "Swiss", what bothers me more, oh, much much more, is when English native speakers call Lake Geneva "Lac Leman" or Geneva "Genf". grrr. lol

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Except the abusers (or "totally mentally retarded" as categorised earlier) tend to be American or Indian :-)
WTF!
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