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Re: Religion, commerce and the ire of the illiberal idiot.

I was sitting and enjoying ice cream recently in a park and a middle aged lady came and started talking to me about Jesus. She went on and on and on. Initially I stopped eating my ice cream as I thought it was rude to eat it while she was talking to me. Well the ice cream melted completely so I ended drinking it up in one go Until that moment I was just listening to the usual sales pitch.

Long story short she ran a mile by the time I had a proper debate with her Her parting words were that I would burn in hell while she would have a swell time in heaven. I told her that I would call her from hell. She thought I meant to save me so she said that she won't be able to save me as it would be too late. I told her that I was going to call her only to say hello I smiled and walked off.

If you think I would allow people like that to be my friend? HELL NO!
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I promised myself to go off this thread...

OK, I am often guilty of judging others, but this is not my ideal in life. I've met a number of people on my path who were wise and who didn't judge - believe it or not. I'd like to take a leaf out of their book.
I have met plenty of such saints in my time too. All crooks the bunch of them They would do well in Hollywood. Maybe you really met some out of this world wise saints but I have my doubts
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...He explained that the word "Hell" was translated from another word (forgotten it) ,
Gehenna. Though according to the Wikipedia article, there's no evidence it was a rubbish dump. Apparently it was (also?) the place were parents sacrificed their children by fire to Moloch.

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It's funny you mention that, i wonder wtf heaven is to believers. I think it's one of those things that noone ever really thinks about, but just accepts in their own way. What would slippers or virgins matter to a soul with no body.
Part of Christian orthodoxy is resurrection of the body at the end of time.
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You wouldn't believe the hassle my cousin's daughters had when their dad died and they wanted to cremate him AS PER HIS REQUEST prior death. He was a good Catholic, and his sister and other family said he couldn't be cremated as he wouldn't be able to have a body to go to heaven. 50 years ago - no, 3 years ago. Sister and rest of family refused to attend funeral and they are still not on speaking terms
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My doctor has her own office and it's just her and her secretary.

*makes note to look for certificates next time I visit*
It's OK. I checked for you.

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Is cat meat kosher? If so, where can I find some?
Yes. Or, at least, moi, I know people who used to think it was kosher. But their parents told them they were eating tree bunnies, not cats.

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You can send it to me by PM. I like pictures of ho heros.
Oh..She is not after that kind of attention. Just sayin'...

Ok, religion is an interesting topic. I really think people are able to accept other people's views without the need to offend. It's differences that make exchange worthy, me thinks. Besides, everyone is judgemental, if you think about it. Some choose to verbalize it no matter what, some know there is time and place for it.
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You....! Now, I never touched a button, thanks for yer responsible premodding effortz.

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What percentage of "Christians" or even clergy are aware of and try to teach each other all these things, would you say?
(Sorry to bring it back to this...)

It would depend on the branch of Christianity but it seems to be becoming a more common topic in the last few years. I too have read several books that touch on it recently, and one completely devoted to it. None by Jesuits. So that's at least 5.

None of us can fairly say any of the members of other religions are doing it wrong, or right, unless we've studied it to at least the same level they have. Preferably more. Maybe they have reached the conclusion that kittens are not the best food source through the patient study of Dawkins and Marx, rather than because they just decided they didn't like the kitten-eating aspect of atheism. (And yes, that was exactly what I meant! )

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Strangely I turned away from religion because of the lack of respect so many have for said religion- eg picking and choosing what they want to hear. Be it about Communion (to get expensive present), marriage in Church (much posher and 'romantic'), being a God parent (oh don't worry - it's only 'words' - those promises mean nothing really), going to Sunday service (just long enough to get kids into Church school) etc. My husband's OH converted to Islam due to the hypocrisy of the 'social' Christians in the UK in the late 19C.
I do have enormous respect for religious people of every denomination who do study and properly follow what their religion requests of them. I am very friendly with several Priests and Vicars who tear their hair out about the casual and disrespectful behaviour of some of their brethren, sadly.
Our local Vicar was absolutely delighted when I told him we would NOT be getting married in Church- and explained to my elderly relatives that it was much more respectful NOT to, as we are not believers.

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I also enjoy hanging out with people who like to engage in spiritual talk, no matter what religion, really. It's sincerity, humility I look for, not reassurance I won't burn when I am gone, though the amount of funky stuff one accommodates during our life time would probably make anyone burn...The funny thing is, I think people just bring their faults, into anything they do. Bashing somebody coz they look for kosher choc or a pristine girl is another way to bring human character into this. Just like when humans do weird stuff in the name of church. Why do we expect to all of a sudden people changing their human nature, just because they are atheist/believers...it's not the concepts of either religion or being free of it (or rather replacing it with something else..) that make things faulty. It's all completely normal to be human and act like jackasses...What I wrote makes me feel a tad cynical, but in fact it is actually full of hope. If people can make mistakes, being religious or nonbelievers, they are equally able to be good. And, people are. But the motor is not a specific church or power to refuse it, it is human nature. This is all just relativism, so basically, I didn't say anything, hahahaha... It's all good. Let people pray, get high on whatever (love is the healthiest way), and debate over reasons things exist. Exchange is important.
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Re: Religion, commerce and the ire of the illiberal idiot.

I shouldn't post this late at night, as I tend to ramble ... but that's okay, since time passes slowly while sitting in the trenches during a thunderstorm ...

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Strangely I turned away from religion because of the lack of respect so many have for said religion- eg picking and choosing what they want to hear. Be it about Communion (to get expensive present), marriage in Church (much posher and 'romantic'), being a God parent (oh don't worry - it's only 'words' - those promises mean nothing really), going to Sunday service (just long enough to get kids into Church school) etc. My husband's OH converted to Islam due to the hypocrisy of the 'social' Christians in the UK in the late 19C.
I do have enormous respect for religious people of every denomination who do study and properly follow what their religion requests of them. I am very friendly with several Priests and Vicars who tear their hair out about the casual and disrespectful behaviour of some of their brethren, sadly.
Our local Vicar was absolutely delighted when I told him we would NOT be getting married in Church- and explained to my elderly relatives that it was much more respectful NOT to, as we are not believers.
Yeah, I was a bit upset once when a friend of mine was getting her son baptised ... she was a member of the church where she lived, but asked another long-time friend to be a godfather as well. He asked, "What should I say, since I don't believe this?" and her reply, "Just say it, please.". I didn't say anything, though, since I was not asked my opinion ...
My wife & I were careful to look for (& ask) godparents we felt would actually mean it when they said those words - and we also looked for people for our wedding party who could also mean it when they said, "Amen!" to the prayers. I had to explain to one of my closest mates why he wasn't in the wedding party, and he accepted it (as he had 'come back from the wilderness' shortly before the wedding) - then gave a brilliant speech at the reception.
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