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As an absolute statement - No.

Somewhere there is always a boundry. Imagine if you will someone on here asked about getting female circumcision done. Should we just provide the information uncritically? Male circumcision for non-medical reasons is already a contentous subject, just have a look in that thread.
With all due respect, that is a ridiculous example as female circumcision is illegal, I did not know Kosher Chocolate was?
I think DB is only asking for a bit of tolerance...
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Re: Religion, commerce and the ire of the illiberal idiot.

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As an absolute statement - No.

Somewhere there is always a boundry. Imagine if you will someone on here asked about getting female circumcision done. Should we just provide the information uncritically?
Sure. The relevant information would be: "that is illegal here, as well as in most of the Western world, and one or more of us will now almost certainly pass your details on to the police/social services". You could give some reasons why, if the person asks for them or perhaps even if they didn't, since we're talking about protecting a child here - there's no need to be critical, you can just present the facts. Catch more flies with honey and all that.

(ETA: Oops, cross-posted with Angela.)
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Re: Religion, commerce and the ire of the illiberal idiot.

So this is a complaint thread about people who complain about people who complain about people not giving them answers when they are asking for religious stuff ?

Er...far out dude !!!
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So this is a complaint thread about people who complain about people who complain about people not giving them answers when they are asking for religious stuff ?

Er...far out dude !!!
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I can't see how atheists can claim to be much better: the top two killers in history are: Mao (40million) and Stalin (20 million) both of whom were were communists, i.e. atheists.
And, yet, athiests can't claim to be killing in the name of any particular God. Only theists can do that. That said, Mao and Stalin weren't committing atrocities because of their lack of religion. Their lack of religion had nothing to do with it. They were simply bad people.
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Re: Religion, commerce and the ire of the illiberal idiot.

So, if I've got this straight, Jacob Levi shouldn't ask where to find kosher biscuits in Zurich because the Roman Catholic church sanctioned the killing of lots of people in Syria a few hundred years ago.

Is that right?

By that principle, someone who comes onto the English Forum asking where to find a Portuguese flag for the European Cup should be held personally responsible for the trans-Atlantic trade in African slaves, no?
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Re: Religion, commerce and the ire of the illiberal idiot.

It's really not that bad, and religion has the luxury of having plenty of people around to defend it. Posters who hijack harmless religious threads are usually shunned and have poor rep.

Now make a similarly harmless "just looking for info/to buy something" thread about, say, astrology or homeopathy and watch well established posters (non-religious and religious alike) troll it to no end, reminding the OP that their area of interest is an illogical bunch of baloney.

There is general intolerance and ridicule (by everyone) towards things people consider illogical. Religion still gets off pretty easy, IMO.
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Re: Religion, commerce and the ire of the illiberal idiot.

Isn't kosher chocolate like homeopathic chocolate? Someone's done some nonsensical thing to give something magical properties which can be billed for?

Why can't we say that's stupid? Crticism of shoddy goods is important for consumers.
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Re: Religion, commerce and the ire of the illiberal idiot.

(Responding to phdoofus!)

But surely you could say that about any religion too?

No one can honestly claim to be killing in the name of Jesus for example (apologies but it's the only religion I'm properly familiar with) - the man who refused to fight back, and even healed someone whose ear one of his disciples had misguidedly struck off when they came to arrest him (according to the Bible at least). So you could just as well argue that the people who killed in the name of Christianity were all just bad people. Or power-mad. Or insane, in some cases.

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So you could just as well argue that the people who killed in the name of Christianity were all just bad people. Or power-mad. Or insane, in some cases.
... or politically savvy.

Anyway, does anyone get killed in the production of kosher biscuits or the provision of ummah-friendly hotel rooms?
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By that principle, someone who comes onto the English Forum asking where to find a Portuguese flag for the European Cup should be held personally responsible for the trans-Atlantic trade in African slaves, no?
I... I... I do hope it will not be forbidden to help me because we:

1) killed a bunch of Arabs while trying to recover the lost country after 711
2) killed a bunch of Arabs because we had a jolly good fun on the crusades
3) killed a bunch of Spanish because the buggers wanted to nick some gold from us
4) killed a bunch of Spanish and French because they messed around with our jolly good friends from the Island
4) caused world wide obesity by being (allegedly) the first ones to bring cane sugar to the old continent
5) an ancestor of mine probably killed the last surviving mamooth, therefore being responsible for the extinction of an entire race

OMG... Should I even dare to show up next Thursday evening without fear of being burn in the stake, after being marinated with Port and cheddar?




(and I thought we Portuguese were quite peaceful little buggers!)
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With all due respect, that is a ridiculous example as female circumcision is illegal, I did not know Kosher Chocolate was?
I think DB is only asking for a bit of tolerance...
Please recheck my post. I was answering Federica who had made an ultra-libertarian statement that needed rebutting. Certainly not not DB.
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OMG... Should I even dare to show up next Thursday evening without fear of being burn in the stake, after being marinated with Port and cheddar?
Depends - are you proposing/fearing an internal or external marinade for yourself? I would certainly appear for the internal version if applied orally...
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Depends - are you proposing/fearing an internal or external marinade for yourself? I would certainly appear for the internal version if applied orally...




or do I just have a filthy mind?
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You just have a filthy mind. I was only talking about port and cheddar
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Depends - are you proposing/fearing an internal or external marinade for yourself? I would certainly appear for the internal version if applied orally...
Well, my grandmother always told me that the best Christmas turkey would be the one killed by ingestion of good aguardente. Apparently the meat would have a particularly delightful taste, but we didn't get to a concensus whether or not that was an humane way to put out the poor beast.

GRUMPY! I suspect you are behind a terrifying plot!



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Regarding the issue brought up by the OP, I tend to agree with the idea that, if there is a market, why not? Supply and demand, economics 101.

I am all for "regulate it, sell it, and tax it".
So if an EF member put this ad in the marketplace, I assume only serious replies would be posted:

"Wanted, 17 year old prositiute for a few nights in Zurich"

Just because something is legal here, offering it, taxing it, etc. it still could be mighty offensive to a high percent of the EF community and presumably would attract a boatload of unwanted comments.

I think posters, especially ones around for any number of years, should be aware that this is a public forum, based on experiences in CH, and the various multicultural, reglious backgrounds that people come from. As such, posting something that could offend or be seen as being on the extremeties of life in CH as we know it will solicit comments and responses accordingly.
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You just have a filthy mind. I was only talking about port and cheddar
Sorry. Hang on whilst I try and drag myself out of the gutter
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"Wanted, 17 year old prositiute for a few nights in Zurich"

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1) She needs to have at least 10 posts before advertising on EF.

2) These things ARE posted on EF - you just need to read between the lines.
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