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The only thing worse than tailgaters are people who deliberately break when they have one behind them, absolute tossers, almost as bad as people who deliberately block the middle lane so I can't pass with my motorbike.
...agreed, and it's dangerous.

I've got one of those electric rear-window sunshades. When I get a tailgater and no room in front to wot an appropriate gap, I lower the shade, extend a forefinger and wag it slowly back and forth, then put the shade back up. Rarely do they not drop back.

...OTOH, if you are driving a 107, unless you have a "I brake for imaginary cats" sticker on the back, you might not get taken too seriously...
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Old 13.09.2011, 12:32
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Re: Road Rage, just had my first swiss experience of it :)

So you saved about 30 seconds with your more or less dangerous maneuver and lost 1min listening to the guy? Sometimes I really don't get you car drivers....
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Old 13.09.2011, 12:37
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Re: Road Rage, just had my first swiss experience of it :)

If people indicated at roundabouts in this country you'd save minutes. It is something I've learnt to tolerate here rather than shout ...'I'm not a mind reader!!!!'
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So you saved about 30 seconds with your more or less dangerous maneuver and lost 1min listening to the guy? Sometimes I really don't get you car drivers....
Have you ever been on your bike going 15kph and you get behind some mom with her kinderwagon pulling the groceries home at 8kph (which is slower than some people can walk) but you can't get around her because the bike lane is so narrow and the car traffic is so heavy? Finally you see your chance to pass her... but by the time you get around her, you come to a traffic light. Then she pulls up next to you before the light turns green, and proceeds to cuss you out for going past her so fast that she almost lost control of her tricycle which nearly made her spill the 20CHF box of washing powder which would have required her to stop what she was doing, close down the road and call a hazmat crew to come clean it up. Meanwhile, the nearest traffic cam would have zoomed in on your vignette to track you down and send you the clean-up bill.


wow my imagination got away from me on that one. sorry.
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So you saved about 30 seconds with your more or less dangerous maneuver and lost 1min listening to the guy? Sometimes I really don't get you car drivers....
Non-drivers have difficulty assessing road situations, such as the 107 was presenting, as they are not intellectual exercises.
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So you saved about 30 seconds with your more or less dangerous maneuver and lost 1min listening to the guy? Sometimes I really don't get you car drivers....

except the maneuver wasn't dangerous, he wasn't ranting for 1 minute and it gave me an amusing story, so a win all round
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Have you ever been on your bike going 15kph and you get behind some mom with her kinderwagon pulling the groceries home at 8kph (which is slower than some people can walk) but you can't get around her because the bike lane is so narrow and the car traffic is so heavy? Finally you see your chance to pass her... but by the time you get around her, you come to a traffic light. Then she pulls up next to you before the light turns green, and proceeds to cuss you out for going past her so fast that she almost lost control of her tricycle which nearly made her spill the 20CHF box of washing powder which would have required her to stop what she was doing, close down the road and call a hazmat crew to come clean it up. Meanwhile, the nearest traffic cam would have zoomed in on your vignette to track you down and send you the clean-up bill.

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Re: Road Rage, just had my first swiss experience of it :)

This was not road rage. Swiss Road Rage™ is where someone will obstruct your progress, brake-test you and then, when you eventually pass, make absolutely no eye contact at all.

There are far more entertaining ones who are borderline psychotic. Like the BMW driver a few years ago now who, unhappy with me being behind him at 140 on the A3, moved over so I could pass and then swerved half into my lane.

Chicken-$hit manoeuvre if there ever is one as I was on my motorbike.
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You call that road rage? It's hardly Duel, is it?

You've been in Switzerland too long
Come on - by Swiss standards this was serious stuff. Normally the guy would have waited until you were gone and left a note on your car.

Although compared to getting stabbed in the UK or shot in the US it is still rather on the mild side.
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Re: Road Rage, just had my first swiss experience of it :)

Must be something in the air down our end: I got cussed at by some spandex-boy on a bike yesterday evening for the crime of stopping on the pavement and turning towards the pedestrian crossing.

He swerved into the middle of the road, cried out something like "Aaaiiiiiiiiiiiii!", then turned around the mutter something unpleasant at me.

I just shook my head and smiled at him.

So it goes.
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Old 13.09.2011, 13:31
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Must be something in the air down our end: I got cussed at by some spandex-boy on a bike yesterday evening for the crime of stopping on the pavement and turning towards the pedestrian crossing.

He swerved into the middle of the road, cried out something like "Aaaiiiiiiiiiiiii!"
You weren't carrying that long plank of wood on your shoulder again, were you?
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Re: Road Rage, just had my first swiss experience of it :)

...just to get the situation straight, a little 107 tailgating a big lorry is not visible in the lorry driver's mirrors, so all the lorry has to do is to tap his brakes to control his downhill speed, which is normal, and bam!

You have the choice in such a scenario, hang back and collect a string of tailgaters yourself, or take an overtaking opportunity. The 107 driver's rage had to do with his own confused emotions, nothing to do with the realities of the road situation. BB2 by his actions may have saved himself and the 107 some "inconvenience", but saving time is incidental to extracting oneself from an uncomfortable situation.
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Re: Road Rage, just had my first swiss experience of it :)

I recently had an old guy (seemed to be in retirement life-phase) in an X5 chase me down the road (with fist-waving, tailgating and weaving side to side behind me) towards Birmenstorf because, after exiting the motorway, I stopped at the traffic lights as I had seen enough of the yellow light to be sure that it would switch red. Which, rather unsuprisingly, it did. Obviously he wanted to fly through on red and, in his world, the prerequisite seemed to have been that I should have obviously done the same thing.

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Re: Road Rage, just had my first swiss experience of it :)

Still on my RHD and it being only a 'turbo diesel' I have to stay well back to get a run up for such a manoeuvre. Drives the gf maaaad!

I guess you just made him feel inadequate as he has now been taught a lesson in how to overtake.

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think nothing more of it, get to the station and park up

Mr 107 parks next to me, odd I think, driver gets out and starts ranting at me in german, I ask if he speaks english and he rants some more, says something about a corner and death and driving, then gets back in his car before I can say anything else lol
What I don't get is how he was able to keep up, follow you and park right next to you presumably within seconds of your arrival...
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gloating at the crash site?
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What I don't get is how he was able to keep up, follow you and park right next to you presumably within seconds of your arrival...

going into the village the speed limit drops to 50kph for quite a while before the station, so he must have gunned it through the village (I kept within the limits), I'm also pretty slow getting out the car as I had to sort out my laptop and get my coat from the back etc.

the lorry was no where to be seen at that point either, so must have stopped on the way
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Re: Road Rage, just had my first swiss experience of it :)

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The only thing worse than tailgaters are people who deliberately brAke when they have one behind them, absolute tossers, almost as bad as people who deliberately block the middle lane so I can't pass with my motorbike.

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Oh Hell yes! Worst are those buggers who cant stand motorbikes and will activly swerve to block your way.
Last time I was treacling my way through that wretched roadworks in Luzern and some bugger saw me coming and just turned his wheel, daring me to pass.
Good job that the traffic moved another few meters.
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Re: Road Rage, just had my first swiss experience of it :)

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It's a similar mindset to the "I must be the first one on the tram" syndrome. People here can't stand being overtaken whatever the situation.

We've seen a similar situation on the motorways here where we've overtaken someone limping along then the next thing they are hanging onto the back of the car. I usually pull back into the inside lane and let them through. 500 metres down the road you have to overtake them again and I've not even touched the cruise control. They must go through a lot of petrol driving like that.
My exact sentiments & it happens every other day. Can never understand why these people feel the way that they do. If you choose to drive slowly & if its within the speed limit for me to overtake you, why get all aggressive & come smelling my *ss after?
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except the maneuver wasn't dangerous, he wasn't ranting for 1 minute and it gave me an amusing story, so a win all round
It does show though, that the overtaking didn't really save you anything. In fact - you may have consumed more fuel... you environmental wrecker.
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