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While someone who would be a good immigrant (a good "human resource" for the country), with a positive attitude, is kept out of the door because he doesn't have the "right connections"...Switzerland will regret this.
What is this positive attitude of which you speak? I detect nothing of the like in any of your moaning and whingeing. I highly doubt Switzerland will regret anything in reference to you... or are you purchasing fertilizer as we speak?

Come on, AlexanderMahone, get thee back to Toytown Germany - where you have, through your own "positive attitude" experienced a lot of backlash, which you don't understand either.

Might want to consider that it's not the rest of the world that's at fault, but maybe... *gasp*... you?!?!
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Old 17.09.2011, 09:09
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Re: No place for me in Switzerland

Take a deep breath and read your own post - how does it come across?

I understand that you are frustrated, but attacking all and sundry on the forum, most of whom are British or American will not earn you sympathy, but rather retaliation which just makes you even more unhappy. I do not necessarily agree with the content of all the attacks on you, but also understand the reason for those.

Somewhere earlier in the thread someone suggested working on your CV. If indeed it is lacking punctuation and formatting, correcting this is vital.

What sort of jobs are you applying for: are they perhpas too senior or too junior for your level?

Do you not like Germany? What are your main reasons for wanting to change and move to Switzerland?

Do not answer me as these are personal questions, but answer them yourself and see if that helps you to get perspective on where you are now and where you want to go.
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Old 17.09.2011, 09:11
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Who is this Tweener, and who are you (let me guess...you are from England)? And what has "Chur" have anything to do with this discussion?
I work in IT security (Ethical Hacking/Penetration Testing), a field where people from England fail big time (http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/08/...-In-London-Pub, loosing important unencrypted information stored in a USB key in a bloody Pub!!! How could they be so stupid, and not even be punished for this!!!)...
what does weak policy, inadequate user awareness and simple dumbness have to do with pen-testing? Maybe this is the reason you get no traction with your CV.

the irony is I could point you in certain directions but you appear to be someone who would be a nightmare to manage. So I won't.
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Old 17.09.2011, 09:14
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ps. Lakeside has it in a nutshell

you think you are senior but are rather junior. It shows in your attitude
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Old 17.09.2011, 09:15
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Re: No place for me in Switzerland

Ah, lay off, folks. Like we have never had a momentary laps of reason from being really desperate.

It sound like OP didn't have time to build connections. Connections are needed all over, not just here, by the way. On the other hand it's true that in Eastern Europe economics might be going down, but all I needed for ace jobs were skills and edu, not really who I knew, so I might understand the gripe (not the anti anglophone spirit, hmmm). Why do we assume that OP's CV looks like his posts here, it's a pretty silly idea.

I am moving this to Complaints and if the dead horse kicking continues, I will have to close it.
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Re: No place for me in Switzerland

Poor baby. Six whole months.

Thank you for the laughs to get me started today. My cheeks hurt.
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Old 17.09.2011, 09:21
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Exactly...and why are "newbies" here always treated with so little respect? This forum is toxic and full of negative feelings... Find something else to do to express your repressed negative feelings...you might find yourself in the same position of the "newbies" in the future.
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Why do you state in an earlier thread that you are from Eastern Europe and you will never go back there? Please judge yourself and your own country before judging that of others.
No, he didn't.
Anyways, that is of no importance. The guy is frustrated because he can't get here. I, for one, would be most interested in why he does want to get here, in the first place.
To the OP:
Why is so important to move to Switzerland, if I may ask? So many expats came here because the opportunity arrised, they didn't come here (only) for the sake of CH. It was their career path that led them here. They try to adjust like anyone who moves to any other possible country, I bet they don't moan more than, say, Indian immigrants in London. It's part of our human nature, to complain, to forget how lucky we are because we're healthy, maybe young, having loving families etc. etc. Moaning happens everywhere...you judge people on being..people?
If you really want to get a job here, work on your attitude and keep trying. If that still doesn't happen, maybe it's just not meant to be? Why this struggle, are we short of places in the Sun? You might enjoy other things somewhere else. You're neither worse, nor better a professional if you don't or do work here. I hope your self-esteem is not tied to succeeding in CH.
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Old 17.09.2011, 09:30
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Ah, lay off, folks. Like we have never had a momentary laps of reason from being really desperate.
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On the other hand it's true that in Eastern Europe economics might be going down...
The OP is from Italy, btw and a momentary lapse for him would mean actually arriving at a state of reason. However, that would mean ditching the massive chip on his shoulder, that is apparently permanently attached...
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Old 17.09.2011, 09:35
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Who is this Tweener, and who are you (let me guess...you are from England)? And what has "Chur" have anything to do with this discussion?
I work in IT security (Ethical Hacking/Penetration Testing), a field where people from England fail big time (http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/08/...-In-London-Pub, loosing important unencrypted information stored in a USB key in a bloody Pub!!! How could they be so stupid, and not even be punished for this!!!)...
You know, a few of us work in that field as well.... and sweeping statements like that show a rather poor understanding of the topic (not that pen testing has much to do with operational security, I guess). If you make statements like that in your job app, you're going to have an awfully hard time finding a job.
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Old 17.09.2011, 09:37
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You know, a few of us work in that field as well.... and sweeping statements like that show a rather poor understanding of the topic (not that pen testing has much to do with operational security, I guess). If you make statements like that in your job app, you're going to have an awfully hard time finding a job.
probably a lack of understanding after reading some Shon Harris
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Old 17.09.2011, 09:46
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The OP is from Italy, btw and a momentary lapse for him would mean actually arriving at a state of reason. However, that would mean ditching the massive chip on his shoulder, that is apparently permanently attached...
I was referring to somebody actually mentioning how poor situ is in Easter Europe, since I can speak from 1st hand experience.

Massive chip or not, he is not the last nor the first to complain about how difficult it is to get a job, even while already here.

We don't know if OP displays the same attitude while looking for a job or at interviews. Nor if he writes his CV the way he off loads here.

I suggest he reads through the points here, there are a lot of hints that might actually help him, if he can filter out the folks who merely mock him.
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Exactly...and why are "newbies" here always treated with so little respect? This forum is toxic and full of negative feelings... Find something else to do to express your repressed negative feelings...you might find yourself in the same position of the "newbies" in the future.


Dude, it looks to me like the one who is full of toxic and negative feelingis you. You’ve been in the south and didn't like it, then you moved to Germany,did not like it either. Now you are not happy in Switzerland as well. My guessis you won't be happy in the next place (Norway?) as well. You can keep onrunning, but you can't avoid yourself eventually.

So my advice - take a good look at yourself, and try to understand what'swrong in your life...

Good luck, whatever you choose to do.....


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And then you did the same text and format. Why can't you use the space bar?
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Old 17.09.2011, 13:53
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I apologize if someone felt "(virtually) spitted at"...but I can assure you that this is 1/10 of what "English-speaking immigrants" have done to me, in my professional and private (real) life, in various part of Europe, in the last 7 years...So this is my little revenge. I've also lived in France for 2 years at some point...guess what? People from England where the one that complained the most about the place, not contributing in any constructive way, and moaning moaning moaning...no wonder that the locals hated them. In fact when I'm on a train or an airport, and see people coming from English-speaking countries having troubles...I don't help them, since they all feel so intelligent and superior to the rest of the world. I still think it's not fair that... - Employer: "Hey John/Alicia, do you want to move to Switzerland! Our Swiss office DESPERATELY needs YOU NOW!!!!" - John/Alicia: "Uhm, let me think deeply and throughly, ...I need a few seconds...Swiss is that country somewhere in Europe (maybe the one close to Denmark and Norway, where IKEA comes from), full of cows and money, right? Yes, why not! Let's go, even if I have no clue about the country! The world is in my hands, I can do whatever I want, there are no limits, bla bla...". And apart from a few exceptions, I doubt that importing people from the other side of the world, without clue or willingness to adapt, just because of their "desperately needed skills", is really the right think to do on the long-term. Better that the economy grows less, but in a more orderly way...and train the locals in those "desperately needed skills". I think in the future, not only in Switzerland but in all European countries, immigrants will be required to integrate, rather than live in some "expat bubble", no matter what "desperately needed skills" they might have...but you will have probably escaped to Singapore in the meantime. I have no problem with the fact that there aren't enough parties in Swiss cities, I actually like it...it all comes down to giving away some of the "personal freedoms/irresponsibilities" that you are used to in many other countries, to have a more sustainable, more stable, and fairer society. It's a matter of mentality...Game over. P.S. There seems to be some problems in the conversion of the carriage returns from a Unix text file. Frankly I cannot be bothered...
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Hey, that's a coincidence!!! I was just about to ask where MurkyTosser was!!!

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Re: No place for me in Switzerland

Based on your self presentation, i would say apply for the SVP, you got the main skills to work with them

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So, I've been looking for a job in 'Switzerland' (contrary to many lazy immigrants from English-speaking countries, I have enough respect for Switzerland to know its full name...get a grip people) for more than 6 months, and I'm almost at the point of giving up and concentrate to some other country. To summarize - I can speak intermediate German, and I regularly study it. It's far from being fluent...but I totally agree that one MUST show at least willingness to learn it - I know how things work in Switzerland (cost of living, bureaucracy, political system, etc...). I made my homework before deciding to try to move there, contrary to many English-speaking immigrants in "perpetual holiday", who come here with no clue about how the system works...and start to complain because of this - I know that it's not a paradise, and many things might piss me off at the beginning...but I also know why things work in a certain way, why for example Swiss people prefer to keep everything shut down on Sunday...and I accept it. I don't moan, moan, moan like many English-speaking immigrants - I'm willing to integrate in Swiss life, volunteering, contribute to it, try NOT to live in a "expat bubble" - I appreciate the extreme respect of rules of Swiss people...that's one of the main reasons why I want to move there But no, there's no place for me...officially because my German is not good enough, no matter if I'm quite skilled (but contrary to many English-speaking immigrants, I don't go around screaming "I'm the best in what I do, I'm damn good", to boost my self-ego). The truth is that if I'd be a snob immigrant from one of those English-speaking countries, with a colonialist attitude, full of myself, with dubious and tasteless humor skills, with 0 German/French/Italian skills, too lazy to learn it even after years of having lived there, always complaining and moaning about everything (for example complaining about the high prices of things, but never complaining about his/her high salary), not willing to integrate, but...with the "right connections" and aggressive enough, or if I'd be a criminal with lots of money to hide somewhere...then I'd be welcomed to Switzerland. It's not fair...
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Did anyone manage to read the OP until the end?
Nop ,after the first sentence ,I was eager to see the response
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Re: No place for me in Switzerland

for those unable to read through the 1/2 page for diatribe, i summarised it below for you:

- his german isn't good enough to get a job
- he doesn't like the fact that english-speaking immigrants complain about things in Swiss and can get a job
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