I think the title of the thread says it all really. Why are you so keen to come to a country that apparently, as you have said, doesn't want you here.

I would be interested to know exactly what you mean by "Switzerland will regret it"?

i'd advise staying away from large gatherings and public areas close to the border

Just because I know everyone wants to enjoy his posts:

Is that a Private Message sent to you ?

No I just adjusted OP's post to a more readable one

Hi Marco
Your English is pretty good, have you thought about looking for work in London.

Some how... I think not

I doubt he'd go for that.

Your joking aren't you? If he thinks we do nothing but moan abroad, what's he going to think when he arrives in the UK?

Naaaah, London offers a whole universe of employment opportunities for a burger-flipper-with-attitude like our new friend MurkyTozzer


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I imagine he meant that the Swiss (and, by extension, its whinging expats) will be crying in their fondue over the fantastic employee that they let slip through their fingers.

You changed your mind about this bit?

if you're looking for sympathy, the sure place to find it is in an ENGLISH dictionary, - somewhere between sh*t and syphillis !

So if I understand correctly, this thread and your refusal to help English-speaking travelers when they are lost or need help is your way of sticking it to all the English-speaking immigrants in Switzerland since they are collectively responsible for screwing up both your professional and personal life during the last seven years?

And you wonder why no one will hire you?

Methinks you need a (non-English-speaking) therapist.

It's funny, this thread makes me think of a discussion we had a work this week : the bottom line was that people who immigrated to Switzerland in the 60s, mainly southern Europeans (italians, portuguese, spaniards) were really patronised compared to today's immigrants (mainly the so-called "english speaking people").

I have never lived in or travelled to Switzerland but found ENGLISH FORUM SWITZERLAND by accident and find it very entertaining. Admittedly, I am not familiar with the Jante Law so I had to look it up and the only source I have at hand is the internet and here is what I found:

"THE JANTE LAW"
The poet Aksel Sandemose put Jante Law into words and they convey an important element of Norwegian culture: humility. Jante's Law teaches people to be modest and not 'think big'. It is demonstrated in most people's refusal to criticize others. Norwegians try to see all people as being on equal footing. They do not flaunt their wealth or financial achievements and look askance at those who do.

The tenets of Jante Law are:
. You shall not think you are special.
. You shall not believe you are smarter than others.
. You shall not believe you are wiser than others.
. You shall not behave as if you are better than others.
. You shall not believe that you know more than others.
. You shall not believe that you can fix things better than others.
. You shall not laugh at others.
. You shall not believe that others care about you.
. You shall not believe that you can teach others anything."

I guess we're all guilty of breaking some of these laws, including the OP.

(I'm probably going to regret taking part in this discussion, but whatever...)

Mr Tozzi, I don't belong to that "English-speaking race" you have come to loathe so much for some reason. Nor I am Swiss. So, you see, you have nor reason to hate me beforehand, and I hope this will allow us to have a rational, civil exchange of thoughts.

I'm going to assume you're Italian (your name sounds typically Italian to me). If that's the case, I probably understand where part of your frustration comes from: in many years spent in different countries and interacting with different people, I've often noticed a couple of things: 1) that Italians for some reason tend not to blend in very well when they move abroad (even after living there for decades, including learning the local language and local ways), and 2) others (from other parts of Europe or North America) tend to have strong prejudices against anyone who happens to be Italian and will treat him/her accordingly, no matter how hardworking, honest, decent that individual in fact is.

To this, I may add that I have lived and worked in Italy for a few years and while living there I noticed a couple more things that surprised me. One is that in Italy Italians for some reason treat certain people the same bigoted and arrogant way they complain they are treated abroad themselves. This includes not just foreigners from certain parts of Europe, but even Sardinians, who are technically Italian citizens. Why Italians have decided that all Sardinians, no matter how educated, are nothing but subhuman sheepshaggers is beyond me. I have found in the course of many years that they have the most exquisite sense of hospitality, are often highly educated despite living modest lives and are much more tolerant and open-minded than people living in more economically developed areas of Italy. Sure, they have a funny accent, but guess what, everybody's accent is funny to others' ears.

The second thing that came to my attention, and ultimately was one of the reasons why I was eager to relocate elsewhere, was that I was tired of Italians' penchant for complain always and about everything but de facto never do anything to actually change things. In a sense, the way you came across in this thread reminds me a lot of that kind of attitude.

(Incidentally, I have an excellent command of Italian, so if you think your message in this thread is being misunderstood because of language barriers, just give me a shout, and I can translate from Italian to English for you )

So... back to your original point. You complained that it is unfair that Switzerland doesn't give you a chance you feel you deserve, and instead welcomes with open arms other foreigners who don't even appreciate their luck.

I think the problem in your reasoning lies in the fact that Switzerland is not Eden. It's not a place where you get to go if you behave like a good boy. It's not a reward. It's just a country like any other, and like any other country the core of the issue is not how much you think Switzerland would be good for you, but what do you have to offer to Switzerland - why should Switzerland want you, you and not another guy?

Ask yourself these questions honestly and in a constructive way. Is there anything you can do (learn?) to make your CV more competitive, to stand out, instead of being just another "Tschingg" trying to settle down in Switzerland? To make you, as a human being, a valuable acquisition to a company, to this country in some way or another?

That's what worked for me and was the key to my integration (not just a way to secure a permit and a Swiss salary, but really a way to blend in, make friends, participate actively in the local life). You need to find your niche - which doesn't mean your niche is there, empty, waiting for you. More often than not you have to create/invent your own niche. It's hard work, but more likely to bear fruit than just sulk and feeling depressed and resentful. Don't you think?

It may be unfair to disparage the Italians as well as the English speaking world. According to Mr. Tozzi's public profile he lists his nationality as Corsica, technically part of France but historically associated to both France and Italy.

As a newbie who came here on a promise for a job that disappeared before his eyes, who was left in the what the sh1t do I do now not speaking then or now fluently any of the recognized languages, Having moved my family at my own expense and facing many challenges I got on with it. I did not complain or bitch, I took control of my own destiny, took control of my life, set up my own GmbH and bring in money from abroad. I am now accepted and do not earn hundreds of millions,I pay sh1t loads of taxes and loved by the Swiss system. I just think out of the box and do what is needed to service and try to provide for my family.

My children is my legacy and I came here honestly not with a job offer but sought a contract to at least sample what Switzerland had to offer, I liked it came here to stay and integrate.

Whilst you are up with here I speak 5 other languages just not the ones spoken here and learning them to be fluent is going to be a walk in the park.

Man up and do what is needed and stop bitching.