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Actually, pregnancy predisposes women to a number of diseases. Just a heads up. I'll leave you to google that one.

Saying pregnancy is "natural" is a moot point. On that note, tearing through the rectum during childbirth is also natural but I think to argue that's not a disease and therefore not deserving of being recognized as a medical problem is ridiculous.

But you're right in that it doesn't justify rudeness. For me, we could all agree now that pregnancy is a horrid, miserable condition but I'd still agree with the original poster that it doesn't make rudeness okay. It does, however, warrant a lil' bit of empathy. And based on some replies here, it seems to warrant some serious education on the subject.
I agree that being rude is not really acceptable in any circumstances BUT, and to be fair, pregnancy IS totally natural. What you are referring to are "complications".

Let's keep a sense of proportion here.
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I agree that being rude is not really acceptable in any circumstances BUT, and to be fair, pregnancy IS totally natural. What you are referring to are "complications".

Let's keep a sense of proportion here.
Of course. But the fact remains that pregnancy predisposes women to disease. I think it's an important link to be aware of exactly for this sense of proportion. The poster used the term "natural" in comparison with "disease" to imply that it's safe and free from health problems.
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Re: Pregnant lady, you can have my seat but your shopping can't

I'm pregnant and I back you up 100%! Seats are for people, not bags.
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Re: Pregnant lady, you can have my seat but your shopping can't

Ask many times on the train if the CH person has a ticket for their bags taken up two other seats. They can see the train is busy but only move bags when asked.
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Ask many times on the train if the CH person has a ticket for their bags taken up two other seats. They can see the train is busy but only move bags when asked.
How do you know if they are "CH" and not "GB" or "FR" or "DE" or "IT" for example?
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Very simple ... a FACT after speaking to them - majority have been CH NOT GB, FR, DE or IT

That is why I said CH as it was a FACT not a general assumption that you seem to have implied
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Old 21.09.2011, 11:00
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The poster used the term "natural" in comparison with "disease" to imply that it's safe and free from health problems.
I am with you on this one. Not sure why the stats saying most pregnancies are natural would make one expect that the particular, pregnant offender was going through a fortunate natural pregnancy.

There is no need to claim a disability status (albeit my dear friend who was bed ridden for the last 3mo swallen with 3 kids inside her, would disagree, jaysus), but why walk around treating all pregnant mamas like those lucky ones who have no problems. Loads of moms do, unfortunately. Some have their cervixes stitched, true, so bending over wouldn't be a big deal, but who wants to risk the stitches come apart?

It is always safer to assume, that there are complications. But personally, my bags were either bellow me or above me, spending a lovely 6hr commute a day till mo 8 wasn't easy but I had the same commuters with me, they were very helpful (thanks the gay couple the most, you were a bunch of nice guys).
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Not easy for our male friends to know how to respond sometimes, though.
A new advert running on UK TV showing a woman in her, say late 50s, looking good for her age- and delighted that she's managed to stand the whole journey home in the tube WITHOUT anybody offering his/her seat!
What's the message there.

I am one of those lucky women who was in incredibly rude health throughout pregnancies. Sadly this is not the case for many, and perhaps this young lady had had a threatened misscarriage or had to have a 'stich' to hold uterus, or whatever, and had been told NOT to lift stuff - maybe she was waiting for a lift. Or maybe not ... impossible for us to know or judge surely.
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Old 21.09.2011, 12:12
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I am one of those lucky women who was in incredibly rude health throughout pregnancies. Sadly this is not the case for many, and perhaps this young lady had had a threatened misscarriage or had to have a 'stich' to hold uterus, or whatever, and had been told NOT to lift stuff - maybe she was waiting for a lift. Or maybe not ... impossible for us to know or judge surely.
Which she ignored carry the stuff to the bus stop - or from the trolley to the bench - or from the trolley to the check out - or from the shelf to the the trolley.

The Swiss do love to put bags on chairs - so be it - I just ask - then glare.

In this case, if the woman felt the bags should be on the seat and not her - that is her choice.
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Old 21.09.2011, 13:23
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.....and during pregnancy a woman is not at her strongest, but at her weakest, which is why all female mammals, regardless of the species, develop a very superior refined sense of smell during pregnancy.... to be able to detect danger and flee if necessary.
Nope - lady in office next door to me is still exercising and she's 4 weeks away from the drop-off point.My US cousin was just the same. No back pain either (lady next door) - did enquire as I'm pretty broody myself.
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Nope - lady in office next door to me is still exercising and she's 4 weeks away from the drop-off point.My US cousin was just the same. No back pain either (lady next door) - did enquire as I'm pretty broody myself.
Ok, so apparently you are alrite. We all have different hormonal responses. You will not know what your hormonal response is until you actually fall prego. Back pain can be despite exercises, it's got too many variables to determine. Cases when it is ok does not mean you will be, I know, a party pooper me. But, done it, got the tshirt.

The fact a woman is exercising does not make her not to be in a poorer shape than when not prego. It only means what it means, she is exercising.
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Ok, so apparently you are alrite. We all have different hormonal responses. You will not know what your hormonal response is until you actually fall prego. Back pain can be despite exercises, it's got too many variables to determine. Cases when it is ok does not mean you will be, I know, a party pooper me. But, done it, got the tshirt.

The fact a woman is exercising does not make her not to be in a poorer shape than when not prego. It only means what it means, she is exercising.
Don't people exercise to get in better shape ?
If someone has been exercising for a long time , then all other factors being equal , isn't that same person ,on average in better shape ?
Perhaps I'm not quite understanding you here and you simply mean a person can exericse and be in pain - I'm saying that I peronally know two women who are claim to be in BETTER health and STRONGER (even if I don't believe em either) while pregnant.
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Don't people exercise to get in better shape ?
If someone has been exercising for a long time , then all other factors being equal , isn't that same person ,on average in better shape ?
Perhaps I'm not quite understanding you here and you simply mean a person can exericse and be in pain - I'm saying that I peronally know two women who are claim to be in BETTER health and STRONGER (even if I don't believe em either) while pregnant.
I am just saying, some peeps exercise to keep things bearable. I had to, physio, due to as was written above, hormons triggering loose joints, back and other stuff, hence really preventing any big physical activity yet I had to to manage. And I was actually always fit my entire life. If you see a prego lady exercising, it's awesome, but it does not say she is not having any hardships and the reason is purely for improvement, etc. As you said, pain management could be one.

Nobody ever knows how their body will react when they get pregnant. You can have a plan, but if you haven't tried it yet, and despite your fit neighbor and your US cousin, things don't have to go according to this plan.

What Sky was saying, women are more fragile when prego and I concur from my own, pretty tragic experience. You may have a positive mindset and put yourself into the fitness mode, but I would warn caution. Exhausting yourself with exercising might not suit all preggo mamas.
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Re: Pregnant lady, you can have my seat but your shopping can't

I've gotta say that, whilst it's undoubtedly true that pregnancy affects different women in different ways, the woman described in the OP was still very rude - a quiet, polite explanation that she was suffering complications would surely have sufficed. I don't think anyone denies pregnant women deserve consideration but it's not a blanket excuse to be rude.
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Nope - lady in office next door to me is still exercising and she's 4 weeks away from the drop-off point.My US cousin was just the same. No back pain either (lady next door) - did enquire as I'm pretty broody myself.
I'm jealous. Here I am at 11 weeks and have been banned from any exercise but walking for the first trimester (not that I have energy to do more anyhow). I'm at a risk for miscarriage.
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Re: Pregnant lady, you can have my seat but your shopping can't

Unless the lady was impregnated by me I could care less. If I give up my seat then consider it a favour not a bloody birth right! Pregnant ladies should not be carrying heavy shopping anyway. Get someone else to bring it home or pay for it to be delivered home. If you can't afford to shop at Coop or Migros online for 9 months then you should not be bringing another mouth to feed into this world.

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I'm jealous. Here I am at 11 weeks and have been banned from any exercise but walking for the first trimester (not that I have energy to do more anyhow). I'm at a risk for miscarriage.
I'm so sorry to hear that...
I hope everything works out okay. Just take it easy and rest as much as you can.
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Well, I'm currently 8 months pregnant... and I know every woman is different, but if I "had" to do this all over again, I would definitely take a yoga class or something.

My joints have become so stiff (especially my legs), and I worry that I'll never get my muscle tone or flexibility back.
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I'm so sorry to hear that...
I hope everything works out okay. Just take it easy and rest as much as you can.
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Aw bless and thanks. My husband has made sure of that. He won't let me clean or lift a thing and cooks for us every night. I've always been the cook so it's an amazing surprise and he's really good. I can't get over all this pampering.

Story from the other night. At around 11pm, I was tossing and turning. He heard me rustling and asked "You okay?"

I replied "I'll be fine. Morning sickness is just especially bad. I wish we weren't out of apples as I could do with one right now. I totally should have remembered for us to get some at the supermarket earlier."

Suddenly, he leaps out of bed, flicks on the light and starts to get dressed. "What are you doing?" I asked.

"There are some apples on a tree in the apartment building near us. I'm going to get you some."

Fortunately, he made it home without being attacked by some enraged manager at that hour for pinching a couple of apples.

They were delicious. ;p
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Aw bless and thanks. My husband has made sure of that. He won't let me clean or lift a thing and cooks for us every night. I've always been the cook so it's an amazing surprise and he's really good. I can't get over all this pampering.
Brilliant and that is how things should always be in a good relationship. Tell him to continue being same after the little one comes out
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