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Whilst I like my salary, I must say I am not that keen on working for a Swiss company. There is such a lot of bitching and back biting, and since I have been there several people have been fired. Not a nice atmosphere at all.

I would like to leave, but there isn't a lot around at the moment. Grrrrr
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sorry to hear it mate - hang in there. You could be jobless and miserable at home - feeling like your career is going down the tubes cuz you can't find job in CH after moving here with your husband - oh wait - that's me! Start looking for a new job - who knows, maybe you'll find something. In the meantime I've found the only thing I can change is my attitude about the situation I'm in.
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Whilst I like my salary, I must say I am not that keen on working for a Swiss company. There is such a lot of bitching and back biting, and since I have been there several people have been fired. Not a nice atmosphere at all.

I would like to leave, but there isn't a lot around at the moment. Grrrrr
Though I'm not so sure it's specific to Swiss companies, I certainly know how you feel... I work in a very small dept among a bigger unit, and although we are only a handful of co-workers the back biting is positively scary... There's such a bad atmosphere that we barely speak to each other...
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Re: Miserable at work

Workwise I am glad to be working but would certainly prefer to be working in an International company, even though the enforced french is pushing me to learn faster!
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sorry to hear it mate - hang in there. You could be jobless and miserable at home - feeling like your career is going down the tubes cuz you can't find job in CH after moving here with your husband - oh wait - that's me! Start looking for a new job - who knows, maybe you'll find something. In the meantime I've found the only thing I can change is my attitude about the situation I'm in.
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Old 21.09.2011, 15:25
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Though I'm not so sure it's specific to Swiss companies, I certainly know how you feel... I work in a very small dept among a bigger unit, and although we are only a handful of co-workers the back biting is positively scary... There's such a bad atmosphere that we barely speak to each other...
It could be more specific to Swiss companies. I rarely had problems in the US and France but Germany was weird for both me and my husband. And I heard from German friends that it was impossible for them to become friends with colleagues because of backstabbing and mobbing.

My theory is that the US and France tend to be more social in the workplace and networking is a lot more important. Yeah, there's gossip but it often backfired on the people spreading it. In Germany, it's more about what's on paper and I'd imagine Swiss is similar.

As for Swiss, I just got a call today from my husband saying that someone is talking bad about him - only 3 months into the job. That's a first for him so he's a bit shaken up. My advice to him was to just stay away and continue doing a good job and those at the top recognizing his work will have little interest in petty gossip and backstabbing so best he just remove himself from it altogether.
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Whilst I like my salary, I must say I am not that keen on working for a Swiss company. There is such a lot of bitching and back biting, and since I have been there several people have been fired. Not a nice atmosphere at all.
Believe me, it's not specific to Swiss companies...
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Re: Miserable at work

I also think it's not a Swiss issue. The work environment has progressively become far more competitive and it is no longer the norm to stay in a company for your life like my father did (40 years). I have friends that move jobs every 1-2 years and get the salary increases to go with it.
btw. Do you really want to be friends with your work colleagues?
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I also think it's not a Swiss issue. The work environment has progressively become far more competitive and it is no longer the norm to stay in a company for your life like my father did (40 years). I have friends that move jobs every 1-2 years and get the salary increases to go with it.
btw. Do you really want to be friends with your work colleagues?
Considering you spend 40 hours a week with these people, you at least want some common ground and a reasonable relationship.

I've been lucky to work with lovely people here; Swiss and expat, so I can really sympathise if the OP is finding it a drag to go into work each day because of an unfriendly atmosphere.

I still keep up with former work colleagues from my previous job. It's a real bonus if you can establish a bond with the people you have to work with every day.
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I also think it's not a Swiss issue. The work environment has progressively become far more competitive and it is no longer the norm to stay in a company for your life like my father did (40 years). I have friends that move jobs every 1-2 years and get the salary increases to go with it.
btw. Do you really want to be friends with your work colleagues?

I am not talking about being friends with these people but to have a good working relationship is important, I work 12 hour shifts, so its difficult not to talk to them. I am 41 so not a spring chicken and had my fair share of jobs, but its the general atmosphere in the company from management, then the back biting from my colleagues about various people in the group. Today it was about me, someone told me what people had been saying. But its not just me. I know there is a lot of bitching about others. If someone has a problem, then say it to your face.

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I am not talking about being friends with these people but to have a good working relationship is important, I work 12 hour shifts, so its difficult not to talk to them. I am 41 so not a spring chicken and had my fair share of jobs, but its the general atmosphere in the company from management, then the back biting from my colleagues about various people in the group. Today it was about me, someone told me what people had been saying. But its not just me. I know there is a lot of bitching about others. If someone has a problem, then say it to your face.

Well, I could say all that about the place I work too - which is one of those big Swiss internationals. Very few Swiss people where I work and it's just like that. You have to watch your back.

Sadly I find that management actually DO listen to gossip and stupid chit chat and I've gotten unfair yearly appraisals (resulting in zero bonuses) based on lies that one person said about me. In this kind of situation you have to be very careful. You need to get in with the boss and always make sure you are heard and that the boss sees you are doing a good job - meaning you have to show that twice as much and it's no good beavering away quietly in the background (which is what I tend to do). Look for a new job - I am. Sadly I have not much chance as I'm looking for a part time job and these are very rare.
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Re: Miserable at work

Sounds like the general mood and atmosphere needs some attention from the management. If everybody is unhappy and bitching I cant imagine productivity it very good.
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Hmmm...just make sure this is work proof. Really.

To the topic, you could suggest a work shop on positive work environment, it's making it's way into CH, you may be The Innovator and actually score.
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I am not talking about being friends with these people but to have a good working relationship is important, I work 12 hour shifts, so its difficult not to talk to them. I am 41 so not a spring chicken and had my fair share of jobs, but its the general atmosphere in the company from management, then the back biting from my colleagues about various people in the group. Today it was about me, someone told me what people had been saying. But its not just me. I know there is a lot of bitching about others. If someone has a problem, then say it to your face.

Sad... I feel for you. Unfortunately if the management does not get what the issue is or encourages this behaviour and attitude, best thing is to look for another job, preferably somewhere with an international work force. I have to say that I find a local Swiss work habits in a Swiss firm very particular. Yet to encounter either clear or compelling leadership behaviour or ability to motivate and manage staff (not assign tasks and check on the follow-on execution). As far as feedback to your face vs. behind your back - only during appraisal times. They seem to have a thing about not facing up to challenging situations and dealing with conflict...Can only attribute this to culture. My favourite one was when I got feedback during my review about moving a lamp from one empty desk next to mine to my desk because it was dark - apparently, I needed a sign off from office facilities manager (who was on holiday for 4 weeks). Lamp was moved in January. Feedback provided in June. My silent comment was 'get a life'
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Re: Miserable at work

I feel like this at random times throughout the month. Yes I am female, but the constant blame game is not a plus to bringing happy moral to the workplace.
What I can say is that the people I work with and the friends I keep outside work keeps me sane. Not everyone has a job that they love, or even like. The good thing is keeping a healthy balance between work and play is absolutely essential.
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Concentrate on the good bits:

1) They haven't blocked you from using EF during your day.... (yet)

2) The sun's shining.

3) Er, that's it, I never know how to end lists.
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Hi Fidgety- I totally understand how you feel. I am in the same situation as you and am forced to work here because I moved here with my husband (who is Swiss). I transferred here from the UK and I missed the warmth of the office. Coming here, I do realize that money is not everything. I am earning big time here but it is depressing because of the back biting and the bitching. I work in a major international company and am glad to know that I am not alone. Hang in there! Eventually, you will find something that will make you want to keep going. For me, I realize its the German so I am focusing my energy on that. I understand that once I learn German, I can start exploring other opportunities.

Also, I devoted my time improving my baking skills. Hey, I may not be happiest at work but I sure am after my family happily munches on my baked chocolate chip cookies.
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Whilst I like my salary, I must say I am not that keen on working for a Swiss company. There is such a lot of bitching and back biting, and since I have been there several people have been fired. Not a nice atmosphere at all.

I would like to leave, but there isn't a lot around at the moment. Grrrrr
I've found that mentioning at work that you love pistol shooting and look forward to bringing your gun collection to the office one day tends to take the tension out of the air and lighten the atmosphere
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Well, I could say all that about the place I work too - which is one of those big Swiss internationals. Very few Swiss people where I work and it's just like that. You have to watch your back.

Sadly I find that management actually DO listen to gossip and stupid chit chat and I've gotten unfair yearly appraisals (resulting in zero bonuses) based on lies that one person said about me. In this kind of situation you have to be very careful. You need to get in with the boss and always make sure you are heard and that the boss sees you are doing a good job - meaning you have to show that twice as much and it's no good beavering away quietly in the background (which is what I tend to do). Look for a new job - I am. Sadly I have not much chance as I'm looking for a part time job and these are very rare.
I'm with you on this. It's the classic:
* person A is just getting on with work and making sure what needs to get done gets done
* person B complains to person C (for instance person A's boss) about person A
* by default person A is already on the defensive... even though person B could be the biggest wanker in the office and person A may just be biting on his tongue and not getting provoked by person B's performance/behavior

It's classic. I've seen/experienced this SO many times. Isn't there a British saying for this (at least, a British colleague of mine use this phrase a lot): "get your revenge in first".

Anyway - there's a reason it's called work and we're paid for it
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I'm with you on this. It's the classic:
* person A is just getting on with work and making sure what needs to get done gets done
* person B complains to person C (for instance person A's boss) about person A
* by default person A is already on the defensive... even though person B could be the biggest wanker in the office and person A may just be biting on his tongue and not getting provoked by person B's performance/behavior

It's classic. I've seen/experienced this SO many times. Isn't there a British saying for this (at least, a British colleague of mine use this phrase a lot): "get your revenge in first".

Anyway - there's a reason it's called work and we're paid for it

It is a classic and I've seen it and suffered for it as well.. and the reason ? Person C (and lets say it is a manager because otherwise, who cares) rarely has the time/inclination/guts to taken person A to lunch to check if there's any truth in what person B is saying and to get person A's perspective. Instead, Person C will just add it to the plus/minus knee jerk perspective they have of underlings cos, hey, isn't their time better spent 'managing upwards ?
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