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Old 06.10.2011, 16:16
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How on earth do you know who does or doesn't speak German? *intrigued* Are you secretly a wizard?

I also wonder how you know who might pick a language to learn because it makes them "feel special". Rather a deprecating thing to say, don't you think? Can't imagine that that would top (or even figure on) anyone's list of reasons to learn a language, and I know quite a few linguists of various types. Impresses the girls/lads, maybe; impresses other interpreters/prospective employers, fine, that's on my list too; helps me understand wth is going on around here, definitely; gets me tenure in the conference interpreting DG at the EU, absolutely. But makes me feel special? Pffft.

@eddiejc, I think most Nidwaldners would explode if they were told English was now an official language. I know for certain the CEO of my husband's company would. Could be amusing, if messy.

Wollishofener, I refer you to all my posts above, because I can't be bothered to rewrite them all yet again just because you missed the point and/or are merely being deliberately obtuse. Here's a brief summary though: our church is a Protestant church and it speaks Mundart the vast majority of the time. Strange though it may seem, I can in fact tell the difference between High German and the Swiss sort, much like I can tell the difference between Swedish and Danish, Spanish and Italian, Dutch and Gaelic, or French and Gobbledegook. I will be happy to take you along and demonstrate if you are still unconvinced.
Nidwald has what 40,000 people? So what! if they don't like English?
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Old 06.10.2011, 16:17
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Languages and dialects are very hard if not impossible to distinguish on the basis of structural differences. I’ll just repeat what I quoted earlier: “Language is a dialect with an army and navy.”
Swiss German will never get the official status of a language because it comes in too many forms and shapes, and not because it is (allegedly) too similar to High German. Similarity has nothing to do with it.
And they don't have a navy. Discussion closed.
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Old 06.10.2011, 16:48
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The mighty German Condor up in Frankfurt have finally recognized that their affluent Swiss cousin down south needs some pampering:

Check out this website link, just for us:

Logo oder?
Jetz häts mi fasch vertätscht!

(It's not a language so I can't translate)
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Old 06.10.2011, 16:56
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Jetz häts mi fasch vertätscht!

(It's not a language so I can't translate)
Allow me partner: "It has me almost thumped....."

Isch doch en mega Aagebot oder? I chönnti mi mit dem Swiss-Siite no dra gwönnä.

I love the disclaimer text on the bottom:

"Hinweis zu dieser Homepage: Es wird die phonologische Schreibweise des Schweizer Dialekts - soweit sinnvoll - verwendet. Als Grundlage dient nördliches Schweizerdeutsch."

"Note for this homepage: As far as practical, we have used phonetic Swiss German using a northern Swiss German dialect as a basis".
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The mighty German Condor up in Frankfurt have finally recognized that their affluent Swiss cousin down south needs some pampering:

Check out this website link, just for us:

Logo oder?
"Als Grundlage dient nördliches Schweizerdeutsch."
I always thought Schaffhausenertüütsch was in fact Schriftdeutsch ?

ETA: a big heh for "lounges" = "Ufenthaltsrüüm"
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@eddiejc, I think most Nidwaldners would explode if they were told English was now an official language. I know for certain the CEO of my husband's company would. Could be amusing, if messy.
I didn't say that MANY Swiss would want English as an official language, only that MORE Swiss would advocate doing so than to standardize any dialect of Swiss-German.
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Old 06.10.2011, 23:15
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And they don't have a navy. Discussion closed.
I don't know. Switzerland DID win the America's Cup!
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i didn't say that many swiss would want english as an official language, only that more swiss would advocate doing so than to standardize any dialect of swiss-german.
Также больше швейцарца довольно поговорил бы русского чем унифицированная версия Швейцарц-Немецкого или та из следующей долины приходят к тому…

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Also, more Swiss rather than talk to a unified version of the Russian-German or Swiss that of the next valley to come...]

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Old 07.10.2011, 02:02
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How on earth do you know who does or doesn't speak German? *intrigued* Are you secretly a wizard?

I also wonder how you know who might pick a language to learn because it makes them "feel special". Rather a deprecating thing to say, don't you think? Can't imagine that that would top (or even figure on) anyone's list of reasons to learn a language, and I know quite a few linguists of various types. Impresses the girls/lads, maybe; impresses other interpreters/prospective employers, fine, that's on my list too; helps me understand wth is going on around here, definitely; gets me tenure in the conference interpreting DG at the EU, absolutely. But makes me feel special? Pffft.

@eddiejc, I think most Nidwaldners would explode if they were told English was now an official language. I know for certain the CEO of my husband's company would. Could be amusing, if messy.

Wollishofener, I refer you to all my posts above, because I can't be bothered to rewrite them all yet again just because you missed the point and/or are merely being deliberately obtuse. Here's a brief summary though: our church is a Protestant church and it speaks Mundart the vast majority of the time. Strange though it may seem, I can in fact tell the difference between High German and the Swiss sort, much like I can tell the difference between Swedish and Danish, Spanish and Italian, Dutch and Gaelic, or French and Gobbledegook. I will be happy to take you along and demonstrate if you are still unconvinced.
You do not have to repeat anything. Simply note that most Protestant and Catholic churches in German speaking Switzerland have the sermons in High German. I in case of NL Dutch and similar Belgian-Flemish can understand most of what they say but not so in case of Danish. The Canton I live in has more than 16% of the CH total population (1,2 mio) and so clearly is a tiny bit heavier than Unterwalden combined, and on one side nobody will speak Baaslerisch or Bärnerisch here anyway.

And, just as a reminder, Unterwalden /NW+OW) were part of the group which lost the war back in 1847/48
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Check out this website link, just for us:

Logo oder?

uuuuunglaublich !!! odär
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here from Wiki


Aromat ist eine Marke für ein Würzmittel von Knorr, welcher zum Unilever-Konzern gehört.[1] Es wurde 1953 erfunden, und verstärkt, da es vorwiegend aus dem Geschmacksverstärker Natriumglutamat besteht, den „deftigen“ Geschmack zahlreicher Speisen. Weitere Inhaltsstoffe sind Speisesalz und verschiedene Gewürzextrakte.
Vergleichbare Produkte sind Fondor (Streuwürze von Maggi, seit 1954) und Mirador (von Migros).


AROMAT is Knorr (Unilever) while Maggi long ago became Nestle
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I didn't say that MANY Swiss would want English as an official language, only that MORE Swiss would advocate doing so than to standardize any dialect of Swiss-German.
You are safe as long as you do NOT demand anybody standardizing on the basis of Baaaaslerisch
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Re: Swiss German isn't a language...

Many years ago when I was in school, I didn't like having to memorize a table of numbers to figure out how to multiply. There HAD to be an easier way to do it! Sadly, years later i realized there wasn't. With that in mind, does anybody think that Switzerland can do a better job helping non-German speaking foreigners learn dialect in addition to standard German? Or is it already the best way of teaching and foreigners need to do a better job of learning?
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Также больше швейцарца довольно поговорил бы русского чем унифицированная версия Швейцарц-Немецкого или та из следующей долины приходят к тому…
No.

But let's not make a habit of the азбука here, albeit estetically very pleasing.

Nebo začnu mluvit česky, and then nobody will understand..

Where I live, Swiss are helpful in pushing foreigners speak local language. True, it is hardcore sometimes, and way easier with French than with SD, since French is both spoken and written.
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Nebo začnu mluvit česky, and then nobody will understand..
Well, some of us would.
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AROMAT is Knorr (Unilever) while Maggi long ago became Nestle
So what, Mr. Dotshitter. In High German, Aromat is Fondor.
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So what, Mr. Dotshitter. In High German, Aromat is Fondor.
No, it's not. Fondor is a copy of Aromat made by Maggi.

Both are disgusting and should be banned.
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No, it's not. Fondor is a copy of Aromat made by Maggi.
Yes, it is. But that doesn't change the fact that in Germany, you'll have to say "Fondor" if you want to get some Aromat-like stuff. Just as you'll have to say "Tesa" instead of "Scotch and "o.b." instead of "Tampax".
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