Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Complaints corner  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old 09.10.2011, 00:18
fatmanfilms's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Verbier
Posts: 21,376
Groaned at 461 Times in 352 Posts
Thanked 23,091 Times in 11,824 Posts
fatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond reputefatmanfilms has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
View Post
So it's a French thing too??
Just people in uniforms with guns, it attracts a certain sort of person. They would have been teachers if they were more intelligent.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank fatmanfilms for this useful post:
  #42  
Old 09.10.2011, 01:06
MusicChick's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: La Cote
Posts: 17,488
Groaned at 414 Times in 275 Posts
Thanked 20,428 Times in 10,577 Posts
MusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond reputeMusicChick has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
View Post
They would have been teachers if they were more intelligent.
Awww...

Unsolicited advice is a cultural thing. People dish it out, coz they assume you can take it for what it is, not a universal truth, but just an opinion of one person, and shrug it off if you don't want it. The minute you start giving the same treatment to people or laugh at their eagerness, they tone it down, and actually start asking you how things are done in your home land..It's just a different way to bond. I kinda like the concern, when one realizes it is not arrogance, but genuine info sharing and concern, or at least with folks I know.
__________________
"L'homme ne peut pas remplacer son coeur avec sa tete, ni sa tete avec ses mains." J.H. Pestalozzi

“The only difference between a rut and a grave is a matter of depth.” S.P. Cadman

"Imagination is more important than knowledge." A. Einstein
Reply With Quote
The following 5 users would like to thank MusicChick for this useful post:
  #43  
Old 09.10.2011, 02:33
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Lugano
Posts: 6,502
Groaned at 128 Times in 95 Posts
Thanked 7,880 Times in 3,673 Posts
Mrs. Doolittle has a reputation beyond reputeMrs. Doolittle has a reputation beyond reputeMrs. Doolittle has a reputation beyond reputeMrs. Doolittle has a reputation beyond reputeMrs. Doolittle has a reputation beyond reputeMrs. Doolittle has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
View Post
Why can't people either answer the question or say they don't know. Why add your opinion?
If you ask someone what time it is, you will probably get a direct answer. Would anyone ask you why you don't have a watch? Why you don't look on your phone? Probably not.

As soon as you ask a question where someone can offer an opinion, they feel they must. The best you can do is thank them for the information and walk away. However, there are rude people everywhere, never mind work colleagues, even total strangers have a talent for this.

Last week I didn't have change for the parking meter so I went into the nearby coffee shop, ordered a coffee to take away and when I went to pay, I asked the woman for small change. So what does she answer me? "I am not a bank."
I must admit I was rather surprised by her reaction, which I felt was uncalled for. I didn't answer. One of her colleagues overheard and gave her a nasty look. The next time I am there, if I take a table and she serves me, she won't get a tip.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 09.10.2011, 03:45
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
View Post
I get unsolicited "advice" all the time when out and about with my children: things like "he shouldn't stand so close to the edge of the platform" (aimed at the 8 year old standing on the white safety line and a train is not scheduled for 10 more minutes) "don't let him pick at the apples" (in Migros last week aimed at my 8 year old who is more than capable of picking up some apples and putting them in a bag) or "tell your child to stop making such a noise" aimed at the 3 year old in mid tantrum (and believe you me, if I knew how to stop him tantruming do you not think I'd have done it??)

I hate making this (or anything) into a "Swiss thing" but in the 8 years I have had children, almost 4 of them were in the UK and I can only recall one time when in the UK someone butted in. So please explain why it happens to me all the time here?
It may be because in the UK people are afraid if they say something they may get stabbed, slapped or even killed...I'm with the Swiss in the sense that I prefer to see parents making an "honest" effort to control their children. Like Starbucks for instance, expat parents come in with their little ones and turn it into a play group. The kids are literally jumping all over the furniture and making all types of noise. People can't even enjoy sitting to read a paper and drink their coffee. One lady was asked to leave because her children were so unruly. It may have been a bit embarassing, but the Swiss do expect people to be a bit more "refined" and teach their children how to be also.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #45  
Old 09.10.2011, 08:17
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: India
Posts: 85
Groaned at 7 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 33 Times in 17 Posts
tsk1979 is considered knowledgeabletsk1979 is considered knowledgeabletsk1979 is considered knowledgeable
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
View Post
I have noticed lately that ever since I got here, I have been given opinions about things that I never really asked for. Example: I asked a co-worker where I could find cheddar cheese locally and I got a "why would you want cheddar cheese" attached to the answer. When I first arrived I asked where the closest McDonalds was and I got a "Why would you want to eat that junk." I wanted to know what the best theater for seeing the new Harry Potter in English was and I got a response of "I am tired of American rubbish for movies." Where I come from, if someone asked me where a place was, I would tell them and not feel like I needed to pass judgement. I do notice that people on the forum do that as well. You get a lot of "why would you want to do that" attached to the beginning of an answer. Is this a Swiss thing? Why can't people either answer the question or say they don't know. Why add your opinion?
In my opinion, you should not waste time looking for movie theatres. Go watch some opera instead. And also, I opine, that mcDonalds is purely rubbiash. Try some ice cream instead. Its infinitely more pleasurable.
Reply With Quote
  #46  
Old 09.10.2011, 08:48
FCBarca's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: La Côte
Posts: 1,478
Groaned at 133 Times in 69 Posts
Thanked 1,684 Times in 769 Posts
FCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

I think it has more to do with the culture being more direct than say the United States, tbh...I find it pretty honest, actually, and occasionally helpful if not amusing/engaging

My aunt was looking for a massage recliner and the sales person at Pfister showed her one...one she wasn't entirely pleased with...She told him she had issues with her neck in particular and the chair did not address it well enough apparently...He almost immediately pointed out that he wouldn't recommend a chair as a substitute for a physio rather responding to her question on where else she might find a massage chair

I did love that...The converse works well too, IMHO...Sometimes in the oddest places & times, people will offer up advice that pays off when you aren't expecting it
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank FCBarca for this useful post:
  #47  
Old 09.10.2011, 21:05
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
View Post
I think it has more to do with the culture being more direct than say the United States, tbh...I find it pretty honest, actually, and occasionally helpful if not amusing/engaging

My aunt was looking for a massage recliner and the sales person at Pfister showed her one...one she wasn't entirely pleased with...She told him she had issues with her neck in particular and the chair did not address it well enough apparently...He almost immediately pointed out that he wouldn't recommend a chair as a substitute for a physio rather responding to her question on where else she might find a massage chair

I did love that...The converse works well too, IMHO...Sometimes in the oddest places & times, people will offer up advice that pays off when you aren't expecting it
You have the correct, intelligent attitude in dealing wit the culture of the Swiss. You're sense of humor works well. In the US people run to the government to "bail" them out of being responsible adults, and would want to sue the store because "they didn't help them properly find the right chair."...LOL I like the directness too. At times it may sting, but it helps you to "grow up" and not be overly sensitive.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #48  
Old 10.10.2011, 15:26
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Zurich
Posts: 130
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 115 Times in 53 Posts
Overflow has earned the respect of manyOverflow has earned the respect of manyOverflow has earned the respect of many
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

You can buy cheddar cheese in Coop supermarket.
Reply With Quote
  #49  
Old 10.10.2011, 17:13
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Zug
Posts: 41
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 27 Times in 15 Posts
ogoelena has no particular reputation at present
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Just wondering how many unsolicited opinions I have missed since I arrived here due to the little bit of German that I have! Ignorance is truly a bliss sometimes..
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank ogoelena for this useful post:
  #50  
Old 17.10.2011, 23:36
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Basel-Land
Posts: 14
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 11 Times in 6 Posts
pugs has earned some respectpugs has earned some respect
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
View Post
I had forgotten, when I was first in CH I described day to day conversation as just a list of complaints strung together.
Isn't that what this thread is?
Reply With Quote
  #51  
Old 18.10.2011, 00:23
Meeyat's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Basel
Posts: 680
Groaned at 18 Times in 11 Posts
Thanked 874 Times in 349 Posts
Meeyat has a reputation beyond reputeMeeyat has a reputation beyond reputeMeeyat has a reputation beyond reputeMeeyat has a reputation beyond reputeMeeyat has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

It reminds me of a scene witnessed by a good friend. It happens in a furniture/bathroom/kitchen store. Not in Switzerland, though.

A lady, which is not too thin, enters the store, and inquire the worker there: "Where can I buy a padded toilet seat?"

The guy looks at her, stopping the gaze for a moment below her waistline, and responds "Madam, I don't think you need one..."
Reply With Quote
  #52  
Old 18.10.2011, 00:55
araqyl's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Zurich, West-side
Posts: 2,137
Groaned at 7 Times in 6 Posts
Thanked 1,287 Times in 681 Posts
araqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond reputearaqyl has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
View Post
If you ask someone what time it is, you will probably get a direct answer. Would anyone ask you why you don't have a watch? Why you don't look on your phone? Probably not.
Actually, if this was asked in Zurich, I'd wonder why the asker didn't walk another 100 metres to where they could see a clock ...
Reply With Quote
  #53  
Old 22.10.2011, 16:06
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

I think if a relatively new expat asked me where they could get Cheddar cheese I would be inclined to ask them why they wanted it (i.e. being a newbie here perhaps they don't know or are afraid to try some of the Swiss cheeses on offer) and give them some examples of something else they could try at some point.

If they told me to shove my help where the sun don't shine well, that's their loss and no skin off my nose.

In my experience it's unusual to get a Swiss to elaborate on much apart from the precise thing you ask them. If you ask them where the nearest petrol station is, they'll unfailingly give you the directions and how long it will take to get there. They usually won't tell you that it's closed today because you didn't specifically ask them that.

Be thankful you've got work colleagues that have actually shown some interest in the question you are asking.
Reply With Quote
  #54  
Old 22.10.2011, 17:28
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: -
Posts: 1,640
Groaned at 26 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 2,932 Times in 1,202 Posts
Russkov has a reputation beyond reputeRusskov has a reputation beyond reputeRusskov has a reputation beyond reputeRusskov has a reputation beyond reputeRusskov has a reputation beyond reputeRusskov has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
View Post
In my opinion, you should not waste time looking for movie theatres. Go watch some opera instead.
Some people actually like to be entertained, thank you very much.
Reply With Quote
  #55  
Old 22.10.2011, 18:07
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Work in ZH, live in SZ
Posts: 12,227
Groaned at 350 Times in 283 Posts
Thanked 23,442 Times in 8,471 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
View Post
Some people actually like to be entertained, thank you very much.
Sure, no problem. Are you more looking for a strip club or a gay bar?

(I personally prefer the "opinionated consultant" approach rather than the passive-aggressive Swiss remarks.)
Reply With Quote
  #56  
Old 22.10.2011, 18:13
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: -
Posts: 1,640
Groaned at 26 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 2,932 Times in 1,202 Posts
Russkov has a reputation beyond reputeRusskov has a reputation beyond reputeRusskov has a reputation beyond reputeRusskov has a reputation beyond reputeRusskov has a reputation beyond reputeRusskov has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
View Post
Sure, no problem. Are you more looking for a strip club or a gay bar?
Talk about opinionated consultant! Do you refer people who are looking for a personal trainer to S&M clubs?

(Oh, and a gay bar is somehow a passive form of entertainment? What?)

Last edited by Russkov; 22.10.2011 at 18:41.
Reply With Quote
  #57  
Old 23.10.2011, 02:30
FCBarca's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: La Côte
Posts: 1,478
Groaned at 133 Times in 69 Posts
Thanked 1,684 Times in 769 Posts
FCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
You have the correct, intelligent attitude in dealing wit the culture of the Swiss. You're sense of humor works well. In the US people run to the government to "bail" them out of being responsible adults, and would want to sue the store because "they didn't help them properly find the right chair."...LOL I like the directness too. At times it may sting, but it helps you to "grow up" and not be overly sensitive.
Absolutely and it's honestly pretty refreshing...I prefer the directness, cuts out all the BS...You know where you sit with them and it's not common place to 'keep score' - just seems healthier or more conducive to a well oiled community...At times it feels like a scene from Little House on the Prairie

And I'm talking about the 'real' Suisse now, not the Genevoise

I think it's equally important to remember that for a lot of the Suisse, the 'culture' many of us Americans come from is pretty alien to them...For the English, your culture is less of an unknown...But for Yanks?...I mean they honestly don't understand how our society works (Hell, I am failing to understand it more & more, myself)...I think they see us as some sort of reality show where everything is for the camera or simply over dramatized
Reply With Quote
  #58  
Old 23.10.2011, 02:34
FCBarca's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: La Côte
Posts: 1,478
Groaned at 133 Times in 69 Posts
Thanked 1,684 Times in 769 Posts
FCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
I think if a relatively new expat asked me where they could get Cheddar cheese I would be inclined to ask them why they wanted it (i.e. being a newbie here perhaps they don't know or are afraid to try some of the Swiss cheeses on offer) and give them some examples of something else they could try at some point.

If they told me to shove my help where the sun don't shine well, that's their loss and no skin off my nose.

In my experience it's unusual to get a Swiss to elaborate on much apart from the precise thing you ask them. If you ask them where the nearest petrol station is, they'll unfailingly give you the directions and how long it will take to get there. They usually won't tell you that it's closed today because you didn't specifically ask them that.

Be thankful you've got work colleagues that have actually shown some interest in the question you are asking.
Good stuff there...I still sought out Cheddar and I am a Gruyere convert (Never ate it before my wife)...Bar none, my favorite cheese...I try a lot of the cheeses and enjoy many...Although the really smelly & gooey cheeses remain a mental hurdle for me...Plus, I'm fairly health conscious (Despite my love of the snacks here en Suisse) and a cholesterol bomb like that coupled with sausages all the time is tough...I try to moderate...Not sure I'll ever be eating cheese as much as the typical Suisse but more than I would've in the US, I'm sure

But Cheddar, I gotta have for my burger cravings...I wish I could find some good mexican cheeses for some proper quesadillas...Someone told me Gouda could be a decent substitute
Reply With Quote
  #59  
Old 23.10.2011, 02:35
FCBarca's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: La Côte
Posts: 1,478
Groaned at 133 Times in 69 Posts
Thanked 1,684 Times in 769 Posts
FCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond reputeFCBarca has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
View Post
You can buy cheddar cheese in Coop supermarket.
Not the proper aged cheddar...Mild, sharp etc.
Reply With Quote
  #60  
Old 23.10.2011, 10:22
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Unsolicited Opinions

Quote:
Like Starbucks for instance, expat parents come in with their little ones and turn it into a play group. The kids are literally jumping all over the furniture and making all types of noise.
Why on earth would you go to Starbucks in the first place?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post:
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Anyone else receive an silly unsolicited PM from Nida ? Richard Street General off-topic 8 19.09.2012 23:57
Unsolicited messages [PMs] from new members - what should I do? Ittigen Forum support 4 05.05.2011 17:00
re-find - unsolicited mail Rissole Complaints corner 26 20.09.2008 23:26
Unsolicited PMs? [What shall I do if I get them?] GBer Forum support 12 26.03.2008 11:45
Unsolicited marketing phone calls Lob General off-topic 18 19.04.2007 15:04


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 18:17.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0