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High Unemployment & Crime Rate in Switzerland?

Am I the only one who finds the constant complaining about Switzerland having a high unemployment rate without merit? What is the exact unemployment rate today? It still must be under 3% and yet I read/hear people are complaining. My guess is those people have never lived outside of Switzerland in some parts of the US, South America, East Europe where unemployment rates reach 30%!

Regarding crime, I would say Switzerland is the safest country I have ever lived in. Period. It just shocks me when people complain about someone getting their wallet stolen at a train station. Try living in places like St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit to name a few. Murders, home invasion robberies, are a daily occurence and frankly, you would be stupid to not carry a gun on you when driving/walking through some areas of the cities.

I guess all I'm trying to say is, be very thankful you live in Switzerland.
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Re: High Unemployment & Crime Rate in Switzerland?

I often wonder where these people lived before, however I suppose if you are Swiss or have lived here a long time itis far more understandable if you see things going downhill. Not as bad as we see it but still getting worse.
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Re: High Unemployment & Crime Rate in Switzerland?

swiss unemployment stats are misleading because they usually exclude anyone who's 'long term unemployed'. So real % is higher than official stat.


However, agree with your observations, especially re crime
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Re: High Unemployment & Crime Rate in Switzerland?

Are you thinking "wow, Switzerland is the safest place in the world!" when comparing with your own country in terms of crimes which have happened to you (i.e. you've beek murdered a few times) or is it based on newspaper articles you've read?

Bear in mind that the population of Switzerland in its entirity is less than, say, greater London.

(It does seem safe here, but I've not been the victim of any crime in London in my life - apart from having a bicycle light vandalised around 25 years ago). People I know have, though. But that's the same as Basel.
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swiss unemployment stats are misleading because they usually exclude anyone who's 'long term unemployed'. So real % is higher than official stat.
It's not just Switzerland, it's a statistical standard. It's quite complicated, but: unemployed are those who are actively looking for job. What you call "long term unemployed" are called discouraged workers, and technically, they're not unemployed...
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Re: High Unemployment & Crime Rate in Switzerland?

Much of the disillusionment comes from a mismatch of expectations. To many outsiders (and insiders ) Switzerland is idealized as spotlessly clean, absolutely safe, sensibly industrious, a paradise of personal freedom.

In the last few years, as the world's economies falter the media seem to constantly paint an overly rosy picture of Switzerland as the last great hope. Especially in the US, Switzerland is often cast in the image of a past that never really existed, a society where 'the good old days' are still going on. We've discussed the 'Swiss myth' many times here.

Switzerland is a great country, no doubt about that; but it is far from the utopia that the media and popular imagination portrays it to be. It has its faults and weaknesses just like any other country does. Many people move here with unrealistic expectations - especially those whose decision to immigrate is driven by a desire to get away from somewhere rather than a desire to go to a specific somewhere else.

So when they come across the first evidence of paradise lost they are truly shocked. Hence the complaints.
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Re: High Unemployment & Crime Rate in Switzerland?

I think some of the idealized Switzerland does indeed exist. They should just sell Genf to the French, that'd solve the stats
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I think some of the idealized Switzerland does indeed exist. They should just sell Genf to the French, that'd solve the stats
A friend of me always suggests that Switzerland should sell BASEL to France
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Am I the only one who finds the constant complaining about Switzerland having a high unemployment rate without merit? What is the exact unemployment rate today? It still must be under 3% and yet I read/hear people are complaining. My guess is those people have never lived outside of Switzerland in some parts of the US, South America, East Europe where unemployment rates reach 30%!

Regarding crime, I would say Switzerland is the safest country I have ever lived in. Period. It just shocks me when people complain about someone getting their wallet stolen at a train station. Try living in places like St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit to name a few. Murders, home invasion robberies, are a daily occurence and frankly, you would be stupid to not carry a gun on you when driving/walking through some areas of the cities.

I guess all I'm trying to say is, be very thankful you live in Switzerland.
With American crime you have got to bear in mind that the country itself is illegal and does not permission to exist from the Crown so it is little wonder there are people killing each other on the streets and breaking into people's home to steal, rape and murder each other.

Switzerland is pretty safe so long as you don't live in Geneva.
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It just shocks me when people complain about someone getting their wallet stolen at a train station. Try living in places like St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit to name a few. Murders, home invasion robberies, are a daily occurence and frankly, you would be stupid to not carry a gun on you when driving/walking through some areas of the cities.
Firstly, Are you telling me that if you had your wallet stolen, you wouldn’t think to complain, because this is just an acceptable part of living with others?

Secondly, if I break my arm, and I’m in the hospital having it plastered, and someone comes in to tell me someone else got hit by a car and broke both arms and both legs, it doesn’t mean that my arm will stop hurting.
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Much of the disillusionment comes from a mismatch of expectations. To many outsiders (and insiders ) Switzerland is idealized as spotlessly clean, absolutely safe, sensibly industrious, a paradise of personal freedom.

In the last few years, as the world's economies falter the media seem to constantly paint an overly rosy picture of Switzerland as the last great hope. Especially in the US, Switzerland is often cast in the image of a past that never really existed, a society where 'the good old days' are still going on. We've discussed the 'Swiss myth' many times here.

Switzerland is a great country, no doubt about that; but it is far from the utopia that the media and popular imagination portrays it to be. It has its faults and weaknesses just like any other country does. Many people move here with unrealistic expectations - especially those whose decision to immigrate is driven by a desire to get away from somewhere rather than a desire to go to a specific somewhere else.

So when they come across the first evidence of paradise lost they are truly shocked. Hence the complaints.
Interesting post...
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Am I the only one who finds the constant complaining about Switzerland having a high unemployment rate without merit? What is the exact unemployment rate today? It still must be under 3% and yet I read/hear people are complaining. My guess is those people have never lived outside of Switzerland in some parts of the US, South America, East Europe where unemployment rates reach 30%!

Regarding crime, I would say Switzerland is the safest country I have ever lived in. Period. It just shocks me when people complain about someone getting their wallet stolen at a train station. Try living in places like St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit to name a few. Murders, home invasion robberies, are a daily occurence and frankly, you would be stupid to not carry a gun on you when driving/walking through some areas of the cities.

I guess all I'm trying to say is, be very thankful you live in Switzerland.

Like most problems, if this one isnt tackled correctly, the crime rate will keep climbing. Over the past 7 years since I moved here, its only been getting worse. So while being thankful is important, it is a topic that is becoming more concerning over time.
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Am I the only one who finds the constant complaining about Switzerland having a high unemployment rate without merit? What is the exact unemployment rate today? It still must be under 3% and yet I read/hear people are complaining.
Well, when I moved here it was about 0.3%, so yes, 3% is quite high.

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They should just sell Genf to the French, that'd solve the stats
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Well funny you might say that because not too long ago, the UN did "discuss" this option after a well-known African statesman suggested the exact same thinng - to re-draw the borders in Europe like this:

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after a well-known African statesman suggested the exact same thinng - to re-draw the borders in Europe like this
...and we all know what happened to him... don't mess with the Swiss!

Having lived all over the world I can truly say that Switzerland is the promised land (in my opinion) and I'll probably will end my days here (with a summer home in France of course).
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I think some of the idealized Switzerland does indeed exist. They should just sell Genf to the French, that'd solve the stats
Agreed. The only place where I felt uncomfortabe and 'on guard' in Switzerland was in Waadt. And sure enough, on our one day spent in Lausanne we had our backpack opened and rummaged by a gang of teenage thieves (hindsight). While this could have happened on any of the 100's of days we were in German Switzerland, it didn't.
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Re: High Unemployment & Crime Rate in Switzerland?

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If all crimes would be in the newspaper or visible in the internet then our crime incidents would be higher noticed from the public. Only the smallest part of the crimes are made public. That is for a reason.
It also depend what is defined as crime. If all the wallet robberys are counted then Switzerland is not save haven. I work in this field and it is incredible how much robberys of wallets exist. The same with banking card skimming.
My personal experience with crime was really shocking, as I wanted to use my car in daylight in Basel. I parked just next to the main road, a lively area , I came and I saw that my car's windows was broken and wanted to open my cars door as I saw a man sitting inside, he was shocked seeing me the same as me, he was trying already to find the cable to start my car,he pulled the door open and run away. As I had my child with I couldn't follow him. The police came and only have taken a report, no DNA /fingerprints taken , nothing. And this burglery was never displayd in the public. And my car is only one from hundreds others cars or flats/hourses which I am sure are taken or broken in on a daily basis.
So, I wouldn't say switzerland is very safe anymore after that.
It is still safer of course then other countries, but the "good" years we had are over. I am born 1964, so I am witness.

By the way I have lived in East London, was walking in the night around , Walthamstow area and never something bad happen to me. There where you might expect the worse it is not......

And of course we can not compare Switzerland with Chigago or parts of South America. And I wouldn't go to try to live in such places...

The unemployment rate doesn't reflect the really unemployment people, because after 1,5 years or even sooner the unemployment people are no more shown in this statistics. They will get social welfare paid , so the real rate of unempl. is much higher... I can't tell how much. The govnerment doesn't display another statistic. I think they know why.

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Am I the only one who finds the constant complaining about Switzerland having a high unemployment rate without merit? What is the exact unemployment rate today? It still must be under 3% and yet I read/hear people are complaining. My guess is those people have never lived outside of Switzerland in some parts of the US, South America, East Europe where unemployment rates reach 30%!

Regarding crime, I would say Switzerland is the safest country I have ever lived in. Period. It just shocks me when people complain about someone getting their wallet stolen at a train station. Try living in places like St. Louis, Chicago, Detroit to name a few. Murders, home invasion robberies, are a daily occurence and frankly, you would be stupid to not carry a gun on you when driving/walking through some areas of the cities.

I guess all I'm trying to say is, be very thankful you live in Switzerland.
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If all crimes would be in the newspaper or visible in the internet then our crime incidents would be higher noticed from the public. Only the smallest part of the crimes are made public. That is for a reason.
It also depend what is defined as crime. If all the wallet robberys are counted then Switzerland is not save haven. I work in this field and it is incredible how much robberys of wallets exist. The same with banking card skimming.
My personal experience with crime was really shocking, as I wanted to use my car in daylight in Basel. I parked just next to the main road, a lively area , I came and I saw that my car's windows was broken and wanted to open my cars door as I saw a man sitting inside, he was shocked seeing me the same as me, he was trying already to find the cable to start my car,he pulled the door open and run away. As I had my child with I couldn't follow him. The police came and only have taken a report, no DNA /fingerprints taken , nothing. And this burglery was never displayd in the public. And my car is only one from hundreds others cars or flats/hourses which I am sure are taken or broken in on a daily basis.
So, I wouldn't say switzerland is very safe anymore after that.
It is still safer of course then other countries, but the "good" years we had are over. I am born 1964, so I am witness.

By the way I have lived in East London, was walking in the night around , Walthamstow area and never something bad happen to me. There where you might expect the worse it is not......

And of course we can not compare Switzerland with Chigago or parts of South America. And I wouldn't go to try to live in such places...

The unemployment rate doesn't reflect the really unemployment people, because after 1,5 years or even sooner the unemployment people are no more shown in this statistics. They will get social welfare paid , so the real rate of unempl. is much higher... I can't tell how much. The govnerment doesn't display another statistic. I think they know why.
In most countries not all crime are report and people who are unemployed for a long time are dropped from the statistics. This is not only true for Switzerland. So at the end of the day we can still used these statistics as a glimpse into what is going on in various countries.

Anyway, I've lived in Switzerland, other parts of Europe and in North & South America and have been fortunate to have never been victim to nor witness to a crime, if that means anything to the statistics!
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Agree absolutely. Living in Basel and working in Genf I saw the difference in the crime rate. You have to be careful in Genf in some areas such as walking through Paquais quite late. Basel, on the other hand, seemed safe everywhere.
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