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Old 17.10.2011, 13:42
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Non-Shengen Penalties at Zuirch Airport

Since the introduction of the Shengen area agreement flying to and from non-Shengen areas, such as the UK, has become a bind.

I flew with Swiss to Heathrow and departure is now through gates in section B. This is the former charter area and means passengers are bussed out to planes.

Likewise on return flights. To make matters worse on Sunday evening there was a 20 minute queue for passports - EU & Swiss.

To my mind non-Shengen area travellers are being penalised. Fix it please Wolli...
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Old 17.10.2011, 13:52
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Re: Non-Shengen Penalties at Zuirch Airport

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........ non-Shengen area travellers are being penalised.
I don't know if it has to do with non-Schengen. Maybe it's just the airline not coughing up the cash for a spot with a finger dock. Or maybe it's that particular flight - finger docks are limited and by the amount of delays and lost luggage I experience to and from ZRH I take it the airport is rather busy.

On my current trip to Ukraine I boarded the Ukrainian International B737 form the E Terminal, placed next to the Singapore Airline's A380. It felt like sitting in a dinghy next to an aircraft carrier...... but that's another story...
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Old 17.10.2011, 14:13
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Re: Non-Shengen Penalties at Zuirch Airport

Not sure if it's got summit to do with Schengen...

Flew BA last Tuesday to Heathrow and back on Thursday. Smooth as silk, no waiting, no bussing (no breakfast either)
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Old 17.10.2011, 14:50
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Re: Non-Shengen Penalties at Zuirch Airport

I suspect it has to do with the size of the planes - the last few I've been with cityjet and their small planes don't 'dock' with the big air-bridges .... but on return we came on a 'peak time' flight and it was a much bigger plane and it docked at the air-bridge...

Same story at Amsterdam - took an 'off peak' cheap flight and the plane was tiny - we were put on the bus...
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Re: Non-Shengen Penalties at Zuirch Airport

I fly to the UK a lot (kids father is still in UK) and Swiss fly in and out of B (Manchester and Heathrow) but BA and Easy out of E (Heathrow, Manchester and Gatwick).
i think....... (wait for it)..... it's a Swiss thing
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..... it's a Swiss thing
As usual......

Because you're based here, it seems to happen more often here. It can happen anywhere. Like my luggage gets "lost" all over the planet, but because I am based here it mostly seems to happen "here".
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Re: Non-Shengen Penalties at Zuirch Airport

I agree that one if the reasons is most probably the airline, as flying with BA through terminal 5 is more direct with the internal train system they use to get to gates, rather than the bus for airlines like Swiss. Docking and time slots are prioritised for certain airlines and times. Swiss passport holders have (at least last couple of years) been able to go through passport control with EU holders. The wait is therefore the same for both. The wait that you experienced may well be the airport operator for UK airports, the BAA staff, who have been known to be at times, inefficient. Even before CH joined Schengen in 2009. The number of problems I have experienced travelling through heathrow has made flying via other countries a priority. When flying to London, BA may be easier next time... Or fly with Swiss to London City. Small so less bus transfers.
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Re: Non-Shengen Penalties at Zuirch Airport

At Heathrow, the problem is often capacity at the airbridges rather than anything else. I've been bussed to/from many British Airways flights at T5 with planes as large as 747s / 777s. It's not a particularly nice feeling arriving after a long-haul from Asia only to be greeted by a line of busses on the tarmac.

For my CH-bound flights, it's been hit-or-miss as to whether we leave from a gate with a jetway or whether it's off-to-the-busses, even when I'm travelling on the same flight from week-to-week.
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Old 17.10.2011, 16:20
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Re: Non-Shengen Penalties at Zuirch Airport

If you just wait a few weeks, they'll be a nice new (shortened) Terminal B, for all you foreign travelers:

Just check out the details here:

Shame for all the bus fans though, they'll be left wanting.....
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Old 17.10.2011, 16:22
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I agree that one if the reasons is most probably the airline, as flying with BA through terminal 5 is more direct with the internal train system they use to get to gates, rather than the bus for airlines like Swiss.
I think you're confused... There is an internal train service that links the 3 hubs of Terminal 5, but that only helps if you are boarding the plane via a gate & jetway. For non-jetway flights, you board from the gates in the center of T5A and get transported to your plane by bus.
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Re: Non-Shengen Penalties at Zuirch Airport

*gets out stick and stirs the pot*

seems to me that if the Brits don't like being non-Schengen they should petition their lawmakers to join the Schengen agreement.

Either that or encourage them to just pull the UK out of the EU all together since really there's not much tying the UK to the EU anyway (no Schengen, no Euro... etc.)

*stir stir stir*
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Old 17.10.2011, 21:15
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Not sure if it's got summit to do with Schengen...
Yes it is, I'm not sure if it is fully finished yet, but one of the terminals will be Schengen only, meaning no passport control etc....

I took my son on a tour of the airport about 12 months ago and that is what we were told. It seems the EU has even given them cash to cover the costs of the work, if memory serves me correctly.

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That little train thing from the E terminal is going to get a "non-Schengen" carriage where all us Brits and the other non-Schengen rabble will be shepherded away. Passing through the airport recently, I noticed the work is already underway for this.
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Since the introduction of the Shengen area agreement flying to and from non-Shengen areas, such as the UK, has become a bind.

I flew with Swiss to Heathrow and departure is now through gates in section B. This is the former charter area and means passengers are bussed out to planes.

Likewise on return flights. To make matters worse on Sunday evening there was a 20 minute queue for passports - EU & Swiss.

To my mind non-Shengen area travellers are being penalised. Fix it please Wolli...

Decisions about places where an airplane is positioned depend on factors like times, readiness of gates, size of airplanes and NOT so much whether the airplane is coming from a Schengen country. The system in force now however in effect favours the Schengen planes clearly, particularily in the case of short-range and medium-range flights. This may even increase when Terminal B gets re-started. And on arrival, the Schengen passengers generally can walk through without passport control, while their luggage may be subject to control as Switzerland is NOT an EU member.

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That little train thing from the E terminal is going to get a "non-Schengen" carriage where all us Brits and the other non-Schengen rabble will be shepherded away. Passing through the airport recently, I noticed the work is already underway for this.
Sure indeed, those NON-Schengen folks need to be kept separate from the others

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Decisions about places where an airplane is positioned depend on factors like times, readiness of gates, size of airplanes and NOT so much whether the airplane is coming from a Schengen country. The system in force now however in effect favours the Schengen planes clearly, particularily in the case of short-range and medium-range flights. This may even increase when Terminal B gets re-started. And on arrival, the Schengen passengers generally can walk through without passport control, while their luggage may be subject to control as Switzerland is NOT an EU member.
Not quote Wolli. Terminal B is being set up with the sole purpose of having Schengen only arrivals and departures. Those gates will be kind of like a domestic terminal if you like. For pax arriving through Terminals A, E and the aprons via bus, they'll have the usual passport checks. Terminal B has been shortened to allow two wide bodied aircraft to pass each other simultaneously between runway 16/34 and the terminal.
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More important than any of these things, the new business lounge opens in December after non-Schengen passport control. Result!
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Not quote Wolli. Terminal B is being set up with the sole purpose of having Schengen only arrivals and departures. Those gates will be kind of like a domestic terminal if you like. For pax arriving through Terminals A, E and the aprons via bus, they'll have the usual passport checks. Terminal B has been shortened to allow two wide bodied aircraft to pass each other simultaneously between runway 16/34 and the terminal.
And this clearly means that Schengen passengers will have a definite advantage over non-Schengen passengers, who will be excluded from the latest add-on to the airport. The non-Schengen passengers may indeed feel "punished" in a way, but so be it.

I btw. was a bit out-of-date actually as I still had in mind that they said, shortly after giving up to old building, that there would be one level Schengen and one non-Schengen.
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Re: Non-Shengen Penalties at Zuirch Airport

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That little train thing from the E terminal is going to get a "non-Schengen" carriage where all us Brits and the other non-Schengen rabble will be shepherded away. Passing through the airport recently, I noticed the work is already underway for this.
surely it depends on where you are flying to rather than where you are from?
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surely it depends on where you are flying to rather than where you are from?
Don't know about travelling out (usually Schengen mixes with non-Schengen on the outbound, no?) but travelling back into Switzerland is where they intend to split off the non-Schengen people starting, in the case of the E gates, with the monorail train-thingy.

At least that's how I understood it.
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That little train thing from the E terminal is going to get a "non-Schengen" carriage where all us Brits and the other non-Schengen rabble will be shepherded away. Passing through the airport recently, I noticed the work is already underway for this.
I've noticed them working on the E gates too. This is odd. Before you go from the main terminal into the train (and vice versa) they already have passport control which means that you are crossing the Schengen "border" (this passport control wasn't there before Switzerland was Schengened). So I don't understand why they need to have a non-schengen carriage.
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