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Re: Let's rant: Romanians in the streets

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No not beggars.


Aggressive rude beggars. There is a difference.
Soooo... all aggressive rude beggars are from Romania then... Did I get that right?

Just want to check I've got my fac... erm sorry, gross generalisations right.
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Old 25.10.2011, 22:09
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Re: Let's rant: Romanians in the streets

Beggars are not productive members of society, as in they consume wealth without generating any new wealth themselves.

In the US, begging/panhandling can be very lucrative- as a teenager, myself and a friend made up a story about being runaways and stood at convenience store for several hours. We ended up splitting $200 or so, getting fed (multiple times), and receiving several offers to come home with different people. This was much more money than two teenagers with few job skills could reasonably earn at that time for the same amount of time/effort. As an adult, I am not proud that I did this, but it was an enlightening experience in hindsight. Someone with a better story and a better location could stand to make much more than we did.

The other issue is the persistence- I can politely tell a beggar no only so many times, before I'll feel forced to say something rude. Sometimes, rudeness only understands rudeness; you just have to speak the language...
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Old 25.10.2011, 22:09
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No not beggars.


Aggressive rude beggars. There is a difference.
I seldom get begged by Romanians. Mabye I look too broke or too mean to even bother....the odd time I do get begged is by a Swiss, usually for some spare change for the bus or a cigarette.
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Old 25.10.2011, 22:11
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Re: Let's rant: Romanians in the streets

First of all you are wrong

http://www.top5ofanything.com/index.php?h=e3fdbb7d

Secondly...as a Romanian, i do not like your attitude. I know it is a problem, i know Romanians have caused a great deal of problems in Europe...and not only, i do not agree with it, i was myself bothered by Romanian beggars in Geneva BUT it is this kind of attitude of yours that never helps...it is this kind of attitude of yours that makes honest people feel this kind of almost hate. You do not even know if they are Romanians and you throw words on a forum where you could actually find Romanians. I see from your profile (corect me if I am wrong) that you are from Austria. If you are, from their language, which is not even close to germanic language, how did you know they are Romanians? And even if they are, being an honest decent person living in CH, you should be careful with this "svpanian" trend and be more careful in the future...
And if you are from Austria I understand because first of all many Romanians and others have caused problems to this fine country and it is a classic story how Romanian gypsies ate the swans from a public lake in Vienna and...yes...they were Romanians!



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They could indeed be from Bulgaria, but Romania holds by far the largest amount of balkanic gypsies so it's a matter of probabilities, and they're easily identifiable by their looks and accent. Also because they behave exactly in the same manner in my home city and authorities there have identified them over and over again but they can do nothing about it.
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BTW, how do you know they are Romanian Gypsies?

I work with a Romanian woman who takes offense to people calling Gypsies Romanian, even if they are from Romanian. lol then again my friend from Bulgaria feels the same way. I'm also guessing Hungarians feel the same way, etc. Sad..
Sadly enough, I have never seen such open racism as in romania, hungary and the czech republic against gypsies.

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2) Romanis are not the same as Romanians
3) They are often very poor, picked on, and are part of large gangs and badly treated (bottom of the pile & all that)
Point 2) The beggar "chain-gangs" in Switzerland are actually quite often romanian citizens, but they could, of course, be from other countries.
Point 3) That is the worst part of it. These people (the ones doing the begging, often kids or handicapped people) are abused in the worst kind of way. They are under a lot of pressure from the guys waiting arround the corner doing the money counting (thats why I chose the word chain-gang) and will see very little money themselves.

Here is an interview with a guy from the police in Berne who led a project aimed at getting at the guys behind the scenes:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/21622102
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and also will try to find a complains email in the city website and in the local newspaper... I like this city too much to not try to do something about it
this is the right attitude and back to the point, regardless of where thez came from, they are a nuissance and Lausanne just doesn't feel as safe as 3-4 years ago before CH opened its borders.... and before Romania joined the EU
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Soooo... all aggressive rude beggars are from Romania then... Did I get that right?

Just want to check I've got my fac... erm sorry, gross generalisations right.
I thought the same.


Threadtitle: Let's rant: Romanians in the streets



@ARC VD: errr... maybe you are missing the point? Are you seriously complaining about Romanians in the street?

Logic 101...

also helpful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality

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this is the right attitude and back to the point, regardless of where thez came from, they are a nuissance and Lausanne just doesn't feel as safe as 3-4 years ago before CH opened its borders.... and before Romania joined the EU
That's an interesting comment.

10+ years ago it was Turks
4-9 years ago the Serbs, Croats and Albanians
<4 years ago, anyone from the EU7

Wonder who is next?
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Re: Let's rant: Romanians in the streets

As a Romanian for
Point 1: yes
Point 2: yes
Point 3: yes
Sad...but true...



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Sadly enough, I have never seen such open racism as in romania, hungary and the czech republic against gypsies.



Point 2) The beggar "chain-gangs" in Switzerland are actually quite often romanian citizens, but they could, of course, be from other countries.
Point 3) That is the worst part of it. These people (the ones doing the begging, often kids or handicapped people) are abused in the worst kind of way. They are under a lot of pressure from the guys waiting arround the corner doing the money counting (thats why I chose the word chain-gang) and will see very little money themselves.

Here is an interview with a guy from the police in Berne who led a project aimed at getting at the guys behind the scenes:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/21622102
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Old 25.10.2011, 22:18
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That's an interesting comment.

10+ years ago it was Turks
4-9 years ago the Serbs, Croats and Albanians
<4 years ago, anyone from the EU7

Wonder who is next?
The Brits?

(ooookay, time for me to leave the premises )
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Re: Let's rant: Romanians in the streets

Begging doesn't know a nationality, and probably, more so than prostitution, is the "world's oldest profession"
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Soooo... all aggressive rude beggars are from Romania then... Did I get that right?

Just want to check I've got my fac... erm sorry, gross generalisations right.
I never said that. Not once. Quote me please.
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Old 25.10.2011, 22:30
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Re: Let's rant: Romanians in the streets

I live in Lausanne and walk through the city centre almost every day. Yes the beggars can get annoying at times and it's generally the same ones in the same locations each day. But it's easy to ignore them and/ or just say a brisk but polite 'non merci'. Abusing them is not going to help matters.

At certain times during the year I saw police hiding around corners and picking up the beggars they saw requesting money (as well as confiscating their proceeds), this lead to Lausanne being quieter for a while but then it picked up again as (if I've been informed correctly) Geneva started to crack down on them and they moved into Lausanne instead.

If you don't agree with it, just don't give them anything.

The beggars don't make me feel unsafe, if anything the local Swiss alcoholics and drug addicts in the Ripponne area are much more un-nerving than the beggars!
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I live in Lausanne and walk through the city centre almost every day. Yes the beggars can get annoying at times and it's generally the same ones in the same locations each day. But it's easy to ignore them and/ or just say a brisk but polite 'non merci'. Abusing them is not going to help matters.

At certain times during the year I saw police hiding around corners and picking up the beggars they saw requesting money (as well as confiscating their proceeds), this lead to Lausanne being quieter for a while but then it picked up again as (if I've been informed correctly) Geneva started to crack down on them and they moved into Lausanne instead.

If you don't agree with it, just don't give them anything.

The beggars don't make me feel unsafe, if anything the local Swiss alcoholics and drug addicts in the Ripponne area are much more un-nerving than the beggars!
honestly what pisses me off is seeing the mothers walking around with 4 yr old kids asking for money. And to your point if they leave lausanne they will just go somewhere else.

this is really a sociological issue.
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Re: Let's rant: Romanians in the streets

if everybody who walked past a beggar simply and politely said "no", they would eventually go away. unfortunately, though, beggars are like seagulls - there's always a sucker who falls for the schtick.
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A reminder, the majority of Roumanians are NOT Roma gipsies. Roma Gipsies have been persecuted for centuries, all over Europe, including Romania, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, etc, etc.
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Re: Let's rant: Romanians in the streets

"Sadly enough, I have never seen such open racism as in romania, hungary and the czech republic against gypsies. "

Btw, my grandparents' village back in RO had lots of gypsies, which used to be a huge problem for the villagers (stealing everything, literally), until the borders were opened and they were gone. Now they have nice villas, cars etc and are mostly away, so things are quiet. Guess which country these particular gypsies went to, country about which they are very enthusiastic when it comes to the generosity of people (compared to other west-european countries).

The post about how they "work" and how they're exactly organized...well, maybe later

As for racism, yea, this has been one of Romania's "big problems" as far as western countries are concerned for many many years. Until, more recently, gypsies migrated to said countries, where they started stealing, raping and killing, generally provoking mass hysteria against them. Funny how racism was then forgotten when it was decided to take rather drastic measures against them ALL. (measures which failed, btw, as I guess some years still have to pass until western countries "get it")

Oh and maybe some mod can change the title to "Annoying beggars in the streets". I don't have anything against the title refering to Romanians, because sadly they have Romanian citizenship and also I guess the average human being can tell the difference between a Romanian gypsy and a Romanian non-gypsy person. But it's just confusing: i originally opened it hoping to find out where a nice gathering of fellow Romanians might be going on
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My question is, what really differentiates a begging gypsy who is probably a product of his/her environment from a banker who is probably a product of his/her environment?
Have you ever been offered two beautiful roses (for CHF 2.-- each) by a banker ?
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Don't be such a demagogue. The gypsy asks for money without giving anything in exchange, can you imagine a working society in which everyone did that? Banks and their workers are persons who do contribute a lot to society, they form one of the basic pilars that allowed countries to industrialize and offer their populations better lifestyles.
"The gypsy" ? THIS is demagoguery ! Most gypsies are traders or doing small repairs like the sharpening of knifes. Much of what they sell may be crap. Many of them ARE beggars. A few even may be thieves. Problems of course DO exist, but things should not be generalized
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, they are a nuissance and Lausanne just doesn't feel as safe as 3-4 years ago before CH opened its borders.... and before Romania joined the EU
I spent a month kayaking down the Danube from the western Romanian border to the Black Sea, staying alone in my tent each night. Not once did I feel threatened by anyone, Roma or otherwise.

More recently, through accidently mucking up train times, I spent 6 nighttime hours in the Lusanne train station, feeling too scared to doze off to sleep. I have no idea of the nationality/ies of the drug pushers that were coming and going, and approaching me, but they were ALL fair skinned and with light hair. So were the sad looking people who periodically shuffled by, checking the rubbish bins on their way.

There but for fortune ......
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