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A rant about beggars ( Lausanne and probably elsewhere in CH )

I don't know how's the situation in other Swiss cities, but in Lausanne there's always a group of around 5 or 6 romanian gypsies asking all the time for money around the city centre, and they don't just sit down and wait for people to throw coins, they approach you and ask you directly to give them money, and even when you say "no, sorry" they keep saying things like "c'mon I'm sure you have some spare coins"

I'm pretty fed up with them, and I'd like the swiss police or authorities to do something about it because these things really can very much harm a city, you can see that in many other european cities where these groups also practise their "active begging" way of doing.

Lately I just tell them in a very rude manner to "allez-vous-en dans votre pays!", I've just seen how they ruined other places and can't avoid it although I know it's not nice. But neither it's nice to see them also washing their clothes with detergents and other chemical stuff right in the lake but they don't seem to care much about it...

uf, now that's better
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Old 25.10.2011, 19:58
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I don't know how's the situation in other Swiss cities, but in Lausanne there's always a group of around 5 or 6 romanian gypsies asking all the time for money around the city centre, and they don't just sit down and wait for people to throw coins, they approach you and ask you directly to give them money, and even when you say "no, sorry" they keep saying things like "c'mon I'm sure you have some spare coins"

I'm pretty fed up with them, and I'd like the swiss police or authorities to do something about it because these things really can very much harm a city, you can see that in many other european cities where these groups also practise their "active begging" way of doing.

Lately I just tell them in a very rude manner to "allez-vous-en dans votre pays!", I've just seen how they ruined other places and can't avoid it although I know it's not nice. But neither it's nice to see them also washing their clothes with detergents and other chemical stuff right in the lake but they don't seem to care much about it...

uf, now that's better
My question is, what really differentiates a begging gypsy who is probably a product of his/her environment from a banker who is probably a product of his/her environment?
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My question is, what really differentiates a begging gypsy who is probably a product of his/her environment from a banker who is probably a product of his/her environment?
.... and the answer is: their differences in take home pay!

The beggars are a nuisance, especially as they are begging for criminal gangs. In Bern begging is now illegal, and they have disappeared. You could complain to your local government.
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Re: Let's rant: Romanians in the streets

And is the banker a better person for putting his chemicals into the environment via a washing machine? ( not to mention those he puts through the exhaust system of his vehicles...
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A really interesting documentary the other day on BBC tv- it is a hugely complex issue, and a great tragedy.
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My question is, what really differentiates a begging gypsy who is probably a product of his/her environment from a banker who is probably a product of his/her environment?
Don't be such a demagogue. The gypsy asks for money without giving anything in exchange, can you imagine a working society in which everyone did that? Banks and their workers are persons who do contribute a lot to society, they form one of the basic pilars that allowed countries to industrialize and offer their populations better lifestyles.
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I don't know how's the situation in other Swiss cities, but in Lausanne there's always a group of around 5 or 6 romanian gypsies asking all the time for money around the city centre, and they don't just sit down and wait for people to throw coins, they approach you and ask you directly to give them money, and even when you say "no, sorry" they keep saying things like "c'mon I'm sure you have some spare coins"

I'm pretty fed up with them, and I'd like the swiss police or authorities to do something about it because these things really can very much harm a city, you can see that in many other european cities where these groups also practise their "active begging" way of doing.

Lately I just tell them in a very rude manner to "allez-vous-en dans votre pays!", I've just seen how they ruined other places and can't avoid it although I know it's not nice. But neither it's nice to see them also washing their clothes with detergents and other chemical stuff right in the lake but they don't seem to care much about it...

uf, now that's better

I have no patience for this type of behavior.

1) Tell them very directly if they don't piss off you will stick a 5 frank coin so far up their filthy shameful poor excuse for a human being @$$ that they will be tasting their $#1t on your fingers.

I think that will solve your problem. That's what i would do.

2) my other favorite. Show them a coin. Then throw it so far they can't even see where it went. Then tell them you would rather throw money away than give it them and you have a lot to throw away. That usually also does it.

3) This is risky...throw the money (coins) at them as hard as you can. :-) Better be big and scary enough they won't jump you though.

I'm typically one to give money to homeless looking people who are nice.
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Don't be such a demagogue. The gypsy asks for money without giving anything in exchange, can you imagine a working society in which everyone did that? Banks and their workers are persons who do contribute a lot to society, they form one of the basic pilars that allowed countries to industrialize and offer their populations better lifestyles.
I'm not demagoging a damn thing...but I don't see why you need to be disrespectful to other people, just because they are bothering you. Somebody might as well tell you to return to your own country. Mind you, I don't agree with begging, nor do I condone the systematic exploitation of the underpriviledged. I do however believe, that one should treat others with respect.
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My question is, what really differentiates a begging gypsy who is probably a product of his/her environment from a banker who is probably a product of his/her environment?
The fact one is in your face annoying you.

The banker only annoys you when you read about him/her in the paper.
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I'm not demagoging a damn thing...but I don't see why you need to be disrespectful to other people, just because they are bothering you. Somebody might as well tell you to return to your own country. Mind you, I don't agree with begging, nor do I condone the systematic exploitation of the underpriviledged. I do however believe, that one should treat others with respect.
I look forward to your selfless defense of not-yet-met strangers on the next telemarketer gripe thread .
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I'm not demagoging a damn thing...but I don't see why you need to be disrespectful to other people, just because they are bothering you.
You do very well understand that they bother people. Of course some might not get very bothered, others like me get really pissed off by these things, partly because I've seen how they've ruined other cities. But we both agree on that. So let's say that someone approaches you in the street and seriously says "Edited out by Longbyt"... would you also answer "I'm not, but thanks for pointing it out" just because according to you you don't need to be disrespectful to other people in any case? I'm sorry, but if someone pisses me off, and he or she is doing that on purpose, I can no longer respect that person. And yes, both things are comparable because measuring the level of "botherness" is subjective.

I think I'll try AmericanGotWorkVisa's point 2) next time

and also will try to find a complains email in the city website and in the local newspaper... I like this city too much to not try to do something about it


Longbyt edit: I could have made the point without the use of such colourful language. I am sure you could too.

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The fact one is in your face annoying you.

The banker only annoys you when you read about him/her in the paper.
..and what gives anybody the right to disrespect the begger? You should take it as a compliment. They think you got money. On a more serious note, aren't we bombared with countless adds and solicitations on a daily basis? But no, we condone that...however, a begging gypsy is a different story. I'm sure you mus feel really superior telling off a gypsy since you know, that he/she probably won't do anything about it....that is, if you actually do tell him/her off as you said.

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I look forward to your selfless defense of not-yet-met strangers on the next telemarketer gripe thread .
Nah, I don't get those calls..feel free to write a thread though.
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BTW, how do you know they are Romanian Gypsies?

I work with a Romanian woman who takes offense to people calling Gypsies Romanian, even if they are from Romanian. lol then again my friend from Bulgaria feels the same way. I'm also guessing Hungarians feel the same way, etc. Sad...you would think as a fellow visible minority I would be sympathetic...I am to those caught in hell in Eastern and Central Europe, but not the ones begging on the street. There are plenty of other jobs...construction, drug dea...I mean...street pharmacist, prosti...adult entertainment provider, pim...adult entertainment project manager, etc.
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You do very well understand that they bother people. Of course some might not get very bothered, others like me get really pissed off by these things, partly because I've seen how they've ruined other cities. But we both agree on that. So let's say that someone approaches you in the street and seriously says "See original post above"... would you also answer "I'm not, but thanks for pointing it out" just because according to you you don't need to be disrespectful to other people in any case? I'm sorry, but if someone pisses me off, and he or she is doing that on purpose, I can no longer respect that person. And yes, both things are comparable because measuring the level of "botherness" is subjective.

I think I'll try AmericanGotWorkVisa's point 2) next time

and also will try to find a complains email in the city website and in the local newspaper... I like this city too much to not try to do something about it
I for one, don't react to insults. See, I follow the strict rule of MOE (mind over enemy)..this being said, if I'd react to insults, I'd give the aggressor power over me and I would lower myself to his/her level. I'm bigger than that.

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Re: Let's rant: Romanians in the streets

I'm not quite sure why the OP thinks the Romanians are to blame for this... you are aware that
1) Beggars come in all shapes, sizes and nationalities
2) Romanis are not the same as Romanians
3) They are often very poor, picked on, and are part of large gangs and badly treated (bottom of the pile & all that)

While I don't give to beggars, I'm with LiB on this one. A simple but firm no is usually enough.

I would also point out that the more persistent beggars I have come across in Basel are distinctly Swiss.

But you carry on, from your privileged position, with pissing on those less fortunate than yourself.
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BTW, how do you know they are Romanian Gypsies?
They could indeed be from Bulgaria, but Romania holds by far the largest amount of balkanic gypsies so it's a matter of probabilities, and they're easily identifiable by their looks and accent. Also because they behave exactly in the same manner in my home city and authorities there have identified them over and over again but they can do nothing about it.
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..and what gives anybody the right to disrespect the begger? You should take it as a compliment. They think you got money. On a more serious note, aren't we bombared with countless adds and solicitations on a daily basis? But no, we condone that...however, a begging gypsy is a different story. I'm sure you mus feel really superior telling off a gypsy since you know, that he/she probably won't do anything about it....that is, if you actually do tell him/her off as you said.


Nah, I don't get those calls..feel free to write a thread though.
You think a Gypsies will ask a random black guy in Switzerland for money?!?!

I doubt it. They probably assume I'm a refugee/drug dealer like everyone else around the station. They beg from white people (probably and especially old people and women).

No one has a right to just disrespect people. My rule is, your freedom stops when you are hurting me. Harassing me on the street for money when we live in uber social-welfare EUROPE is annoying me for no good reason, and will always get a negative reaction. No Gypsies I've ever seen look like they are starving, and none of them are begging for food.
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You think a Gypsies will ask a random black guy in Switzerland for money?!?!

I doubt it. They probably assume I'm a refugee/drug dealer like everyone else around the station. They beg from white people (probably and especially old people and women).
Well, I knew for a fact, that they wouldn't bother you in the first place...but I didn't exactly want to spell it out.
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So, what have we learnt from this thread so far? Beggars who come from Romania ruin our cities and usually bother elderly white people and women.
For these reasons they do not deserve any respect.
Thatís a sad bunch of stereotypes and unfounded prejudice.




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So, what have we learnt from this thread so far? Beggars who come from Romania ruin our cities and usually bother elderly white people and women.
For these reasons they do not deserve any respect.
Thatís a sad bunch of stereotypes and unfounded prejudice.




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No not beggars.


Aggressive rude beggars. There is a difference.
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