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@Sandgrounder,

I lived in the UK before my relocation to Switzerland and I know how your country functions: this is a civilized country, with a flexible fiscal system (comparing to Poland): many Polish people have established their companies there.
I don't think that somebody just has to return to their own country, they are entitled to live where they want. Mostly abroad I have had office job, but 6 months ago I lived in France like a nomad while hitchhiking and sometimes sleeping in the mountains. I am prefer to carry all burdens abroad rather to go back to Poland. I would be able to repeat my French experience again, I am not a conformist. That annoys Swiss ladies, who think that woman's life shoud be 9-17/marriage/mortgage, not to be a wanderer.
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@Sandgrounder,

I lived in the UK before my relocation to Switzerland and I know how your country functions: this is a civilized country, with a flexible fiscal system (comparing to Poland): many Polish people have established their companies there.
I don't think that somebody just has to return to their own country, they are entitled to live where they want. Mostly abroad I have had office job, but 6 months ago I lived in France like a nomad while hitchhiking and sometimes sleeping in the mountains. I am prefer to carry all burdens abroad rather to go back to Poland. I would be able to repeat my French experience again, I am not a conformist. That annoys Swiss ladies, who think that woman's life shoud be 9-17/marriage/mortgage, not to be a wanderer.

Really? Have you asked them all?
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I appreciate your comments but I disagree with you. I was born in Poland and the comments annoy me. Generally people know that economical situation in Poland is worse than in Greece but they think I should return to that shambo anyway, so that they can feel good because I will be underachieving for the rest of my life. If you met a professional i.e. from Ethiopia who has achieved a lot in Switzerland, the UK, or anywhere, would you dare to ask him/her to go back to their home country?

I have been living abroad since the end of 2005, I am single and have no friends in Poland, I am an adult person who had made a conscious decision of moving abroad- my nationality or mentality has nothing to do with.
One guy I know is from Senegal and his father is a tribal cheiftain and head of the village back there. This father is getting on in years and this guy tells me that when his father passes away, being the eldest son, he will inherit the chieftainship and become king of his tribe. So then I asked him if that meant he would be going back to his village. I didn't mean the question xenophobically but I imagined it must be difficult being an absentee chieftain or king. But he got quite upset about the question, assuming it was meant xenophobically, and he hasn't really talked to me since.

Sometimes people misinterpret honestly meant questions.
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Old 02.11.2011, 14:27
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That annoys Swiss ladies, who think that woman's life shoud be 9-17/marriage/mortgage, not to be a wanderer.
Well well. I recall nostalgically my own wondering years, while one needs loads of guts, I don't think it entitles anyone to feel extra heroic, or better than others. So much to fall into a pretty mean stereotype. It's just different, aren't we all.

In fact, longer you stay, more you will find yourself blessed with friends you want to surround yourself, you will know the population better. Just sayin'...and thinking about all my non stereotypical local female friends. Who are, by the way, as mixed as anyone here, so why call them Swiss when they even don't.

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Really? Have you asked them all?
I told them about my work abroad and wandering. My landlady was appaled when I told her I hitchhiked in France.

She is not the only person with whom I lived. Before I was ufortunate to live with 50+ Swiss lady but I don't want to give the details here.
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I told them about my work abroad and wandering. My landlady was appaled when I told her I hitchhiked in France.

She is not the only person with whom I lived. Before I was ufortunate to live with 50+ Swiss lady but I don't want to give the details here.
so 2... out of approx 3084500???
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@Sandgrounder,

I lived in the UK before my relocation to Switzerland and I know how your country functions: this is a civilized country, with a flexible fiscal system (comparing to Poland): many Polish people have established their companies there.
I don't think that somebody just has to return to their own country, they are entitled to live where they want. Mostly abroad I have had office job, but 6 months ago I lived in France like a nomad while hitchhiking and sometimes sleeping in the mountains. I am prefer to carry all burdens abroad rather to go back to Poland. I would be able to repeat my French experience again, I am not a conformist. That annoys Swiss ladies, who think that woman's life shoud be 9-17/marriage/mortgage, not to be a wanderer.
It seems you have read too much into what she as said and without being there in context it seems pretty innocent.

Your generalization of Swiss women is darn right offensive. Also, just because you have lived somewhere for some time does not mean that you know how it works.

Also, what they hell has conformity got to do with you landlords question? I believe your problem is of your own insecurities and not how she spoke to you.

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Before I was ufortunate to live with 50+ Swiss lady but I don't want to give the details here.
Wow. Seriously?



Ok, I just had to, heh. And coz my fav folks are those who know a lot and are usually old..er. Older.
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That annoys Swiss ladies, who think that woman's life shoud be 9-17/marriage/mortgage, not to be a wanderer.
I'm sorry, but with this you are not describing Swiss women. You are describing a high percentage of women in this planet. I know what I am talking about since I am a 30 year old childless originally catholic woman that intends to say so in the next years.

You should really stop thinking they are all up to get you and just relax. It will help you a lot in your life, wherever you are.
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Re: "Slightly" xenophobic comments from the Swiss people

I cannot understand why most of you, who have been harshly criticizing racism and chauvinism in Switzerland in your previous posts, are pouring your anger at me.
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So wait; are we talking about xenophobic older Swiss women, or old-fashioned older Swiss women who believe a young woman should marry, stay at home and have babies rather than travel around Europe?
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I cannot understand why most of you, who have been harshly criticizing racism and chauvinism in Switzerland in your previous posts, are pouring your anger at me.

Maybe because none of us see it as racism or chauvinism?
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I appreciate your comments but I disagree with you. I was born in Poland and the comments annoy me. Generally people know that economical situation in Poland is worse than in Greece but they think I should return to that shambo anyway, so that they can feel good because I will be underachieving for the rest of my life. If you met a professional i.e. from Ethiopia who has achieved a lot in Switzerland, the UK, or anywhere, would you dare to ask him/her to go back to their home country?

I have been living abroad since the end of 2005, I am single and have no friends in Poland, I am an adult person who had made a conscious decision of moving abroad- my nationality or mentality has nothing to do with.
Just because the question annoys you don't mean there was xenophobic intention on her part. I highly doubt the woman knows anything really substantial about your country. Hell, I didn't even think it was so bad in Poland & I've actually been there. She probably hasn't.

I agree you are reading too much into it. Stop being so sensitive.
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I cannot understand why most of you, who have been harshly criticizing racism and chauvinism in Switzerland in your previous posts, are pouring your anger at me.
because you have post groundless speculatuion?

It's alright all polish women do that.
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@Sandgrounder,

I lived in the UK before my relocation to Switzerland and I know how your country functions: this is a civilized country, with a flexible fiscal system (comparing to Poland): many Polish people have established their companies there.
I don't think that somebody just has to return to their own country, they are entitled to live where they want. Mostly abroad I have had office job, but 6 months ago I lived in France like a nomad while hitchhiking and sometimes sleeping in the mountains. I am prefer to carry all burdens abroad rather to go back to Poland. I would be able to repeat my French experience again, I am not a conformist. That annoys Swiss ladies, who think that woman's life shoud be 9-17/marriage/mortgage, not to be a wanderer.
I am finding myself annoyed at you, and I am not even a Swiss lady!

The "burdens" you are carrying around Europe are affecting you in more ways than you realize if you think that people are not going to be angry when you extrapolate the results from a sample size of two over the entirety of Swiss women!
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So when ARE you going back? Because it seems you have not made much effort to see what people really are like here and probably won't be happy long-term...
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I am finding myself annoyed at you, and I am not even a Swiss lady!

The "burdens" you are carrying around Europe are affecting you in more ways than you realize if you think that people are not going to be angry when you extrapolate the results from a sample size of two over the entirety of Swiss women!
Ditto ditto ditto!
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I cannot understand why most of you, who have been harshly criticizing racism and chauvinism in Switzerland in your previous posts, are pouring your anger at me.
I have put my armor and hung my flag against chauvinism and racism in this country countless times before. I have to deal with it at work every single day.

The problem is what you reported doesn't sound like xenophobia. It sounds like harmless curiosity. As you notice, most people are telling you that - they are not flamming you, they are asking you for understanding.

Maybe you don't notice since you are maybe still a bit angry with the situation created, but it sounds a little bit like paranoia.

I would really advise you to give the lady a second chance. Really!
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Just because the question annoys you don't mean their was xenophobic intention on her part. I highly doubt the woman knows anything really substantial about your country. Hell, I didn't even think it was so bad in Poland & I've actually been there. She probably hasn't.

I agree you are reading too much into it. Stop being so sensitive.
I've been to Poland too and actually thought it was a way cool place and loved it. I don't think I'd object to relocating there if offered a job. I don't know why some people project so much negativity about it.
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Ayit, I will play the devil's advocate, for one thing, having lived some wild moments all over and having really developped allergy to those who wore the badge on their punk coats and were so darn self righteous..a bit of sympathy to fellow Eastern European, yady yady.

But, Argent, making ugly sexist stereotypes coz some stuff might have sounded clumsy or just got misinterpreted..wait to be here longer, you will grow thicker skin and actually appreciate the directness. It might be the fact you don't straight away know how to retort back, I find it fun. With time you will get more direct yourself and pretty elaborate, I laugh a lot when things sound weird and awkward. Or, just simply say "whaaaa, I just got here and you want me out already?"

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