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Old 08.11.2011, 20:24
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Courtesy on the Metro

It amazed me today that a poor blind man, lost on the Metro, was ignored by everyone.

I came to his aid, though my French is poor, i am quite pregnant and was also pushing a heavy pram with a screaming toddler too. I managed to guide him by his elbow into the lift with one hand whilst struggling to get my pram in the lift with my other hand.

Of course nobody moved aside for us, let alone offer a helping hand. I just received a few rude stares, perhaps because i made a grammatical error when talking to the blind chap i was helping.

And don't get me started on the fact pregnant women with prams are barged out of the way by men to nab the last seat on the Metro. Whatever happened to gentlemen.
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Welcome to Switzerland and the land of staring by the older generation , you will get used to it.
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Old 08.11.2011, 20:57
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Re: Courtesy on the Metro

And that is the main reason I am so so soooooo happy in Barcelona. People help you, give their seats, reach out other human being who obviously may need help, etc.

It took me a few months to get use to people being courteous. It is pretty bad when you think about it. You lose the habit of people being nice to you in a busy bus, tram, metro...
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Re: Courtesy on the Metro

Its honestly why one of the reasons I do not take public transport. To sit with these kinds of beings.

btw have you ever seen the show; what would you do on youtube. pretty good representations of things like this
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Yeah, whatever to sexism eh ? Dammed if we do , dammed if we don't.
Make your mind up please.
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Re: Courtesy on the Metro

In this particular case it probably wasn't possible, but we were taught that the person doing the guiding, who can see the clearest way ahead, walks slightly in front and the person who cannot see holds onto THEIR elbow. Being pushed forward by the arm into the unknown (especially when folk don't jump out of the way) is a very unpleasant experience. Been there, done that.

It's often difficult to know if a person with a disability actually wants our help anyway, and after being turned down a few times many people give up asking. That said, it is often shocking to see our lack of feeling for our fellow men.
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It is not only Switzerland.
This morning, in Vienna, I have seen a tram leave before a disabled man was able to enter.
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Well, I have to say I've had it with helping people because of some stupid woman's reaction this morning on my commute. She let her small child on one of those "Like-A-Bike" things hurtle towards a traffic light where I was standing waiting for the green man.

Small child showed no signs of slowing down, half ran into my leg and half tried to continue across the road with busy traffic. In my attempt to grab him he fell off the bike and went hysterical.

As I was picking him up and the guy standing nearby fetched his bike back from the gutter, the mum came puffing over with a pram and called me all the names under the sun for knocking her kid off his bike. Fortunately, her native English afforded me the immediate opportunity to give her both barrels back without having to cast around for the appropriate response in German.

Ungrateful mare.

I'm avidly watching "Complaints Corner" for some hysterical expat to start a thread about "'Swiss people' knocking children off their bikes. Can I sue?"
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Re: Courtesy on the Metro

Just back from Paris (I'm French) and we observed no courtesy reg the elderly. I was traveling with my inlaws (both 75) and no one got up to give them their seats in the many metro journeys we took. I ended up asking so they could seat down. Not sure it they're tricks of my imagination but I'm sure it wasn't like this even 10 years ago... Not proud to be French
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Just back from Paris (I'm French) and we observed no courtesy reg the elderly. I was traveling with my inlaws (both 75) and no one got up to give them their seats in the many metro journeys we took. I ended up asking so they could seat down. Not sure it they're tricks of my imagination but I'm sure it wasn't like this even 10 years ago... Not proud to be French
It's just as bad - if not worse - on the tube in London.
I'm 74 and arthritic and find it rather difficult to stand up in a moving tube.
I would say that it's usually young women who offer me a seat rather than the blokes but no young bloke has ever refused me a seat if I ask.
Maybe it was better 10 years ago, but there were also fewer people using public transport.
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