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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

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We got a letter from the school not too long ago telling us to please keep our kids at home when they are sick. I count myself lucky, because I do not work outside of the home so it's no problem for my kids to stay home. But I genuinely sympathize with parents who both work and need to work out solutions when their kids are sick.
Doesn't the swiss red cross provide a service for these sick kids in Zurich?, as they certainly have such a service here in Geneva and Vaud for sick kids whose parents are not able to take care of them that day. Benefits all around.

While probably not the case with the OP, the person likely was ill, but illness can often be deceptive. I have major allergies at certain times, and after contact with certain allergens, I can be in full allergy attack. I non-stop sneeze, cough, and wheeze. Looks and sounds worse than most flus I've had, so just be aware that sometimes symptoms can be deceiving.
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

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Who should take offence if the reference is to a frog as in the croaky variety?

Surely the croaky variety would be the intended reference here as opposed to someone coming from France, no? Or are we forbidden from using the word "frog" altogether?


I see that the morals and standards of this forum have not, as yet, sunk to the levels of depravity in which my sense of humour resides......

Which in some ways can be a good thing.....
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

I'm at home right now with my 6 mo who caught chicken pox a daycare. The new policy is that you can bring your kids back even if they're still contagious, so all the kds build up an immunity at the same time.

I had planned to hav my child vaccinated when she reached the right age to spare her the miserable week she's having now, but nobody asked my opinion about it...

I work full time, but happily my hours are flexible. Even though, if parents where more responsible when bringing their sick kids to daycare, I would spend less time at home with my own sick child who's catching everything from daycare... And it breaks my heart when I see those feverish and grumpy kids at school when they would be so much better at home in a warm bed... Being a working mum is a hassle, I tell ya!
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Well if she's well enough to do that, then she's well enough to work.

btw the French can sometimes take offence at the term "Frog"......
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I see that the morals and standards of this forum have not, as yet, sunk to the levels of depravity in which my sense of humour resides......

Which in some ways can be a good thing.....
Like MC would say: Keep your bras on Ladies! Nothing to get upset about.

French don't have a problem with frogs nor the name, nor the animal (well, they eat them, so must be some love in there).

It is being called frog that is not cool. I can call myself a frog but you can't.
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

Off Sick - What is all that about?

Our house was so cold that when we were ill as children, we would still go to school as it was warmer.
I even was awarded a prize by the headmaster for having the best attendance record ever; 2 days off school in the 5 years of senior school.

When you are contracting, you only get paid when you are at work so you tend to go to work even if you are about to die.
Anyway, within a couple of days with the office air-conditioning, you usually watch everyone else go down and get overtime.
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

Thing is it's usually a no win situation - whatever you do has problems.

You are sick and you stay home - you may not get paid if you have a certain type of job, your boss may have you down as unreliable, and even though you think you don't really have a quota of sick days at some point all companies will turn round and say you've had to many.

So you are sick and go to work - then your colleagues/customers get annoyed at you and get sick themselves.

Then, if you are sick yourself, chances are that when you get well child number 1 will be sick. And then when they get well the other kid will be sick.

So do you send them to school to infect everyone else because you already had sick days for yourself and/or child one and can't take any more.

Or do you keep them home and have to stay home, which is going to annoy everyone at work because they know that YOU are not sick.

The best solution is really to be able to work from home. When I'm sick or when one of my kids is sick I just stay home with my laptop doing whatever I can. Doesn't help you much if you work in the migros though.

Of course if you're coughing (infectious or not) then you should cover your darn mouth otherwise it's just yuck.
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

stay home, get better, go to work when well. it dramaticaly improves your productivity and makes the work place a better place to be! Sick pay is in your contract, use it.

I worked for 5 years on a when you are sick you dont get paid basis and that was tough but if you dont have to, use it!
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

Hi

Are you working in Switzerland? Probably not...

Here anybody can be sacked without warning and without reasons, so these days with the economical problems (basically Swiss employees are too expensive vs French and German ones) it is advisable not to stand out from the crowd and go to work even if you're dying...
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Hi

Are you working in Switzerland? Probably not...

Here anybody can be sacked without warning and without reasons, so these days with the economical problems (basically Swiss employees are too expensive vs French and German ones) it is advisable not to stand out from the crowd and go to work even if you're dying...
Come on. Do you really think the hire/fire is that straight forward? Do you know how costly it is to recruit someone here?

For us to recruit even a minor admin assistant after the departure of another it cost thousands of francs in advertising, down time, retraining the new recruit, etc.

Firing a perfectly good employee because they are off sick is a bit of an own goal for a company.
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

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Come on. Do you really think the hire/fire is that straight forward? Do you know how costly it is to recruit someone here?

For us to recruit even a minor admin assistant after the departure of another it cost thousands of francs in advertising, down time, retraining the new recruit, etc.
It would say it depends on the sector. In mine (pharma) it is definitely the case I can tell.
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

I really dislike people coming to work when they are sick - in particular I really hate the noise they make sniffing their nose without using a hanky!
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Old 15.11.2011, 21:06
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It would say it depends on the sector. In mine (pharma) it is definitely the case I can tell.
Funny, I work in Pharma too, but never heard of anything like that. I know a couple of people who went on "gardening leave", but all official notice periods were followed to the letter.
Don't you just love sweeping generalisations?

If I have a respiratory infection, I will take the time off. For the benefit of my colleagues as much as anything.
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

Hi,

Certainly generalizing should be avoided here...

I'm a working mum (part-time) and my kid goes to the Krippe three times a week. He was sick at the beginning so had to stay at home (at least I can work from home a bit when it gets very busy), now I've been sick (cold, sore throat) for over two months. What do I do? Do I sign myself off permanently? I need to keep my sick days for my child otherwise I will not spent much time at work.

Sometimes it's easily said than done. I do suffer more with the a/c at work but have no choice but to keep going, the same probably goes for other people who simply cannot choose to stay at home every time they get a cold/cough.
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Old 15.11.2011, 21:38
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So do you send them to school to infect everyone else because you already had sick days for yourself and/or child one and can't take any more.

Or do you keep them home and have to stay home, which is going to annoy everyone at work because they know that YOU are not sick.
Just take them over to your boss' house so that your precious Snotleigh can lick all their door handles. Then take them to your office so that they can sneeze on your boss' car door.
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Just take them over to your boss' house so that your precious Snotleigh can lick all their door handles. Then take them to your office so that they can sneeze on your boss' car door.
LOL awesome! that would change things quickly.
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Come on. Do you really think the hire/fire is that straight forward? Do you know how costly it is to recruit someone here?

For us to recruit even a minor admin assistant after the departure of another it cost thousands of francs in advertising, down time, retraining the new recruit, etc.

Firing a perfectly good employee because they are off sick is a bit of an own goal for a company.
exactly, not to mention all the benefits that need to be paid out to the employee.

also the new employee could be a drop quick back to square one.


it is also important for people to look after themselves though, get enough sleep, exercise and eat well. I havent been bed ridden for more than 3 years. And i worked for 18 months in education...kids are GROSS! please keep your sick darlings at home! Some of the things i have seen border line neglect!
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Just got home from doing the shopping at Coop where the cashier was coughing her lungs up all over my groceries as she passed them through the cash. Why can't people have the decency to call in sick when they so obviously are? (Especially if they work with food)
A) you should not generalize. Most people DO stay at home when ill. The cashier you mention possibly did not yet realize the problem when getting out of home in the morning, or feels under pressure from her boss .....
B) Or she simply smoked too much during coffee-break
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We got a letter from the school not too long ago telling us to please keep our kids at home when they are sick. I count myself lucky, because I do not work outside of the home so it's no problem for my kids to stay home. But I genuinely sympathize with parents who both work and need to work out solutions when their kids are sick.

Although I have been at home nearly 10 years, I do remember what it's like to feel the pressure to go in to work when you're feeling miserable (from co-workers or the boss). I just see it from the other side more now- from September until April, it's just one infection after the other in our house and all those sleepless nights of being up with the kids can just about kill you (especially if you are sick yourself and have to take care of other sickies!- but I guess I am not alone in that!!)
Good neighbours can be the solution. Until I was 6 or 7, there was that nice lady who cared for Mr T. (who then passed away aged 99), and then it was that tremendous couple who were around always and always extremely helpful.
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

When I was a contractor, sick days were lost money, so my rule was if I could get out of bed I went in.

Now I'm a permie, I'll be more likely to take the call in if I'm off colour.

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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

1) It's hell when you have to work and you have a delicate ill child. No matter how hard it was, I refused to send him to creche or to school when he was ill. No way. Sometimes I'd have to work through the night so I could stay with him by day, until I'd virtually collapse from lack of sleep. Don't care, I do not regret a single moment. You just do what you've got to do.

2) It's hell to be sick when you're a working mother. Mothers are just not allowed to be ill, it's not part of the contract. You just get on with it and don't listen to yourself too much.

Not everybody has a choice, not everybody can stay home.
I'll only stay home if I know I'm contagious with bronchitis or something, but not for a common cold.
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