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Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

Just got home from doing the shopping at Coop where the cashier was coughing her lungs up all over my groceries as she passed them through the cash. Why can't people have the decency to call in sick when they so obviously are? (Especially if they work with food)
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Just got home from doing the shopping at Coop where the cashier was coughing her lungs up all over my groceries as she passed them through the cash. Why can't people have the decency to call in sick when they so obviously are? (Especially if they work with food)
You sound like you shop in the same coop as me.!! but i think the cashier that served me had a frog in her throat as she seemed fine other than that..
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

I fully sympathise with you on that, however there are times when companies insist that you come in.

Obviously it's better for the member of staff if they stay home and recover, likewise for the company as a whole as it means that not only do they have a healthy member of staff, but that individual doesn't infect others.

The trouble is that there are some managers out there who peanalise people for taking time off work. It shouldn't happen but it does. Some managers just want you in at your desk regardless of the detrimental effect on the staff member (or people that come into contact with them).

Also, there are people who are paid by the hour or the day who simply don't get paid if they don't turn up, sick or not.....

Catch 22 I'm afraid
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but i think the cashier that served me had a frog in her throat as she seemed fine other than that..
Well if she's well enough to do that, then she's well enough to work.

btw the French can sometimes take offence at the term "Frog"......
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Also applies to the shoppers, too. The woman behind me in Migros yesterday coughed right down the back of my neck then all over the conveyor belt.

Jeez-uz people - I'm not particularly squeamish, and of course people have to come out and shop, but is it no longer good manners to cover your mouth when you cough?
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Just got home from doing the shopping at Coop where the cashier was coughing her lungs up all over my groceries as she passed them through the cash. Why can't people have the decency to call in sick when they so obviously are? (Especially if they work with food)
I do agree with you, but I would imagine that the cashier wished that she felt that she could have called in sick. Problem is that too many people swinging the lead on sickies have effectively put those who are genuinely ill that call in sick under the microscope, and under pressure to turn up to work.
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I do agree with you, but I would imagine that the cashier wished that she felt that she could have called in sick. Problem is that too many people swinging the lead on sickies have effectively put those who are genuinely ill that call in sick under the microscope, and under pressure to turn up to work.
Thats exactly it. In my last company I had a 100% attendance record, not because I have the constitution of a Shire Horse, but because I hated the thought of calling in ill and not being believed (even though it was probably all in my mind).
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Well if she's well enough to do that, then she's well enough to work.

btw the French can sometimes take offence at the term "Frog"......

Oops! No offence intended its just an old english saying for a 'slight cough or tickle'.. hee hee
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Thats exactly it. In my last company I had a 100% attendance record, not because I have the constitution of a Shire Horse, but because I hated the thought of calling in ill and not being believed (even though it was probably all in my mind).
And how many people did you manage to infect, and what was the total of lost work days for the company?
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I fully sympathise with you on that, however there are times when companies insist that you come in.

Obviously it's better for the member of staff if they stay home and recover, likewise for the company as a whole as it means that not only do they have a healthy member of staff, but that individual doesn't infect others.

The trouble is that there are some managers out there who peanalise people for taking time off work. It shouldn't happen but it does. Some managers just want you in at your desk regardless of the detrimental effect on the staff member (or people that come into contact with them).

Also, there are people who are paid by the hour or the day who simply don't get paid if they don't turn up, sick or not.....

Catch 22 I'm afraid
All true. Happened to a friend of mine some years ago.

Her immediate manager insisted she come into work (in a Customer Service Center) even though she could barely speak and be understood when she did due to the symptoms of her illness. Pity the poor callers who got her on the telephone that day as their Customer Services Rep!

Following some calls from concerned customers to the main management offices, she got sent home by the big boss and told to stay there until well again. So long as it was all covered by medical certification, she would not be penalized and lose pay. As a single parent with young kids to look out for, that was a huge weight off her mind and shoulders and also one in the eye for her immediate superior.
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Just got home from doing the shopping at Coop where the cashier was coughing her lungs up all over my groceries as she passed them through the cash. Why can't people have the decency to call in sick when they so obviously are? (Especially if they work with food)
because they are poor and they need the money. I do not get paid for taking a day of sick for example. Only after several days do sickness payments kick in.
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

I always find this time of year (and spring for similar reasons) difficult. I have shitty lungs, and the slightest cold can make me sound like I'm dying. I'm not actually really sick, but my asthma makes me sound like it. I just have shitty lungs that hate the cold dry air mixed with the hot dry air from the heating. I simply have to take my steroids for a bit and all is good. But to everyone around me, I sound like I'm spreading the plague. I can't take several weeks off of work until my cough disappears. I can maybe take 1 or 2 days off, but then I need a doctor's note to say that I can't work. But I can. I'm not going to jeopardize my job because of something that isn't contagious.

I fully understand that without explaining this to every person that hears me cough and wheeze, there's no way of differentiating someone who is actually sick from someone who has a chronic condition. I really don't want to wear a facemask all the time, because I think that would scare people more.

My tip if you are worried: wash your hands before you eat and get your flu shot (takes 5 minutes at the immunization clinic in Zurich).
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

Well, some people don't get paid if they take a sick leave. Some people get a red mark on their record if they take a sick leave. Not all jobs are perfect.

If you are sick enough to have to stay at home, you might need to visit a doctor to get a slip to prove it. Considering how much a visit to the big guy costs, some people rather drag their asses to work to avoid a) not being paid for skipping a work day b) having to pay a doctor slip c) get a clean record of "never taking a pansy leave" d) they overestimate their health condition.

It's nasty for the colleagues, yes. Or for the costumers. On the other hand, work ethics at the moment might not allow a sick leave, known as a "pansy lazy leave" in some bosses dictionary.

On the other hand I don't go berserk if I see a migros/coop worker with a cold handling the vegetables/meat. That's what masks and cooking is for. Maybe I was raised not fearing germs enough...

I get more pissed of when some women cough and sneeze in front of me in the train without covering their mouths, basically covering my face with their spit. It's a very nasty nasty situation.
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I fully sympathise with you on that, however there are times when companies insist that you come in.

Obviously it's better for the member of staff if they stay home and recover, likewise for the company as a whole as it means that not only do they have a healthy member of staff, but that individual doesn't infect others.

The trouble is that there are some managers out there who peanalise people for taking time off work. It shouldn't happen but it does. Some managers just want you in at your desk regardless of the detrimental effect on the staff member (or people that come into contact with them).

Also, there are people who are paid by the hour or the day who simply don't get paid if they don't turn up, sick or not.....

Catch 22 I'm afraid
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All true. Happened to a friend of mine some years ago.

Her immediate manager insisted she come into work (in a Customer Service Center) even though she could barely speak and be understood when she did due to the symptoms of her illness. Pity the poor callers who got her on the telephone that day as their Customer Services Rep!

Following some calls from concerned customers to the main management offices, she got sent home by the big boss and told to stay there until well again. So long as it was all covered by medical certification, she would not be penalized and lose pay. As a single parent with young kids to look out for, that was a huge weight off her mind and shoulders and also one in the eye for her immediate superior.

I used to get into trouble for not coming to work when I was sick pretty often - see, the problem was that other people would come to work sick and make me sick. If I catch a cold or flu, almost guaranteed I'll have bronchial problems for the rest of the season (or longer).

Beyond that, my mother was (still is, but my illness doesn't matter as I'm here) taking immunosuppressant drugs as she has several auto-immune related difficulties, so if I came home sick, she'd get it even worse. So, I'm in favor of staying home.


Meanwhile, hopefully folks don't automatically freak when they hear me coughing near them. Hubby came home with a cold at the end of September, of course I caught it and I've been coughing since.
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Well, some people don't get paid if they take a sick leave. Some people get a red mark on their record if they take a sick leave. Not all jobs are perfect.

If you are sick enough to have to stay at home, you might need to visit a doctor to get a slip to prove it. Considering how much a visit to the big guy costs, some people rather drag their asses to work to avoid a) not being paid for skipping a work day b) having to pay a doctor slip c) get a clean record of "never taking a pansy leave" d) they overestimate their health condition.

It's nasty for the colleagues, yes. Or for the costumers. On the other hand, work ethics at the moment might not allow a sick leave, known as a "pansy lazy leave" in some bosses dictionary.

On the other hand I don't go berserk if I see a migros/coop worker with a cold handling the vegetables/meat. That's what masks and cooking is for. Maybe I was raised not fearing germs enough...

I get more pissed of when some women cough and sneeze in front of me in the train without covering their mouths, basically covering my face with their spit. It's a very nasty nasty situation.
I feel for people who can't stay home and suffer loss of wages or whatever. But it still doesn't make me like the fact that they are coughing all over my food.
And I cook and wash my food too, but it's just gross when a stranger coughs on your loaf of bread (atleast when you see them do it!)
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Well if she's well enough to do that, then she's well enough to work.

btw the French can sometimes take offence at the term "Frog"......
Who should take offence if the reference is to a frog as in the croaky variety?

Surely the croaky variety would be the intended reference here as opposed to someone coming from France, no? Or are we forbidden from using the word "frog" altogether?

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I used to get into trouble for not coming to work when I was sick pretty often - see, the problem was that other people would come to work sick and make me sick. If I catch a cold or flu, almost guaranteed I'll have bronchial problems for the rest of the season (or longer).
I hear you Peg, I am the same, the good thing is I work from home now so can carry on working while not being a source of infection. Unfortunately I was so sick these days, I had to cancel my trip to the US, but this IS the season of colds and flu
Let's remember though that the fact that someone is coughing does not mean thes are infectious, I have asthma and I cough a lot (and cover my mouth) but I doubt I would 'give' anyone my asthma
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

In cases where companies utilize a "paid time off" plan, any sick day taken then takes away from the time that worker is able to do things like stay home with a sick child, attend a school conference, take an aging parent to the doctor, etc.

Truly a conundrum for that one employee, and it is easy to see how he or she might try to fight through a cold in order to go ahead and report for work. Nonetheless it is a hazard for others with whom he/she has contact.
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My boss came into work with pneumonia once and that's basically what is expected. Among the support staff we have made an agreement that we don't come in sick to avoid making the others sick but I'm paid by the hour so I really think twice about that sort of stuff. And of course you get told off for coming in sick but everyone does it and you also get told off for not being there. You can't win.
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Re: Why don't people stay home when they are sick?

We got a letter from the school not too long ago telling us to please keep our kids at home when they are sick. I count myself lucky, because I do not work outside of the home so it's no problem for my kids to stay home. But I genuinely sympathize with parents who both work and need to work out solutions when their kids are sick.

Although I have been at home nearly 10 years, I do remember what it's like to feel the pressure to go in to work when you're feeling miserable (from co-workers or the boss). I just see it from the other side more now- from September until April, it's just one infection after the other in our house and all those sleepless nights of being up with the kids can just about kill you (especially if you are sick yourself and have to take care of other sickies!- but I guess I am not alone in that!!)
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