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Old 16.11.2011, 16:47
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

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ok.... this is an honest question and no I am not inferring anything
passengers with dog's larger than a lap dog are instructed to purchase an additional ( half fare ? ) ticket for poochie.

what sort of tickets are people with 4x4 strollers instructed to buy?
The same ticket as those in a wheelchair.

Both wheelchairs and prams/buggies are accepted transportation devices for those who cannot (yet) walk distances or over a lengthy period of time.
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Old 16.11.2011, 16:48
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What ever? But why? I mean I ask you as I would ask those men on the tram. Why be a jerk? Procreating is not a problem, it's dealing with people who won't step aside and be a decent person. I have a right to be there. I can't stay home all the time. Don't you have a mother? Didn't she raise you to respect people? That's what I would have said to that guy. I guess I did get it off my chest, so thanks.
Step away from the hormones!!!!

It is a 2-way street. Whoever you are, if you act like a jerk on public transport you'll be treated like one.

As I said earlier - if you have to make your way via tram with a pair of spawn (your lifestyle choice) you should be as tolerant of others as you expect them to be of you.
Try to pick quieter times to travel.
Try not to have the largest stroller in the world.
Try not to carry heavy items in the stroller (babies don't count as heavy items).

For the rest of us - if you see someone laden down with multi-spawn - don't be a jerk - make some space.

On a side-note - I have gained a reputation as Mr "Stop the Spawn Crying". It is great fun in a supermarket when a spawn in crying. I get their eye - and then glare at them - in a sort of "I eat babies" way. Fear prevents them crying.
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Old 16.11.2011, 16:49
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

Maybe an additional thread is required but do people get money every month from state for every kid they have? So am I paying for your kid?

Why? If I make the choice of buying a car I would not expect you to pay for it's alloy wheels and monthly petrol costs.
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That must be it. As you were there you obviously have a better idea of how it went down.
No, I think you described it pretty well.

That woman with her aggressively pointing finger must have been pretty scary for you.

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Being a gentleman I took it all in the stride hoping a thank you and smile would make up for all the trouble. Woman turns her nose up and completely ignores me. I quietly go and sit in my window seat and wash the woman off my mind and get back to thoughts of the romantic breakfast.
I think you must have a different definition of a gentleman.

A gentleman who offers to help a person in need neither expects thanks or moans about it when they don't get it.
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Old 16.11.2011, 16:51
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ok.... this is an honest question and no I am not inferring anything
passengers with dog's larger than a lap dog are instructed to purchase an additional ( half fare ? ) ticket for poochie.

what sort of tickets are people with 4x4 strollers instructed to buy?
not sure. but i guess the same as a bike would be fair.
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I/We annot assess the situation as we were not there. Most probably he WAS a jerk. You do have a right to be there, and so does he. Now my beef it's not with your complaint, just that you get angry when people fire back in a thread that it's about getting things off. .

give and take flak. that's all. The current issue of the people counter arguing is that, prams and baby related equipment is not the smallest thing ever. And while EF'ers are willing to be accomodatting, ssaid equipment doesn't make it easy.
Here's the thing, I was not trying to give flak to anyone. I as simply trying to get something off my chest, but instead the baby haters have come out claiming that women push people around with their gigantic strollers. Not all mothers are like that just as not all people push women and tell them f*** you. The time of his post was very sexist and I called him out on it. I guess I should not reply so you don't think I am too easily offended.
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A gentleman who offers to help a person in need neither expects thanks or moans about it when they don't get it.
A gentleman opens the door for a lady.
A lady thanks the gentleman for his kindness.

Judging by my experience of late (especially in London) - ladies are found less frequently than gentlemen.
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Step away from the hormones!!!!

It is a 2-way street. Whoever you are, if you act like a jerk on public transport you'll be treated like one.

As I said earlier - if you have to make your way via tram with a pair of spawn (your lifestyle choice) you should be as tolerant of others as you expect them to be of you.
Try to pick quieter times to travel.
Try not to have the largest stroller in the world.
Try not to carry heavy items in the stroller (babies don't count as heavy items).

For the rest of us - if you see someone laden down with multi-spawn - don't be a jerk - make some space.

On a side-note - I have gained a reputation as Mr "Stop the Spawn Crying". It is great fun in a supermarket when a spawn in crying. I get their eye - and then glare at them - in a sort of "I eat babies" way. Fear prevents them crying.
Are you serious? Stop the hormones.
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well, you would be surprised at the number of people who don't know how to walk on the correct side, at the right speed, at the right angle and change direction in the right way.

heck, even coming here, you realise people can't even get basics such as standing on one side of an escalator and walking on the other side, and letting people off the train before getting on.

queueing, respecting a 'virtual queue' (letting people on in the order of arrival when there is no orderly queue) etc. are of course alien concepts here.
These problems exist almost everywhere. There is no such thing as a virtual queue or a queue for bus/train/subway in Glasgow - it's a free-for-all. People don't even wait 'til you get off the bus before getting on (and there is only one exit/entrance on Glasgow buses).

As for people walking in all sorts of directions - I lived in Edinburgh for a number of years and it was frustrating to have to constantly stop and manoeuvre around the number of tourists who would stop to gawk at the castle, no matter how busy the street around them is.

I've never seen the "keep to the left/right" signs on the escalators here, so it's not really a problem unless there is an unwritten rule?

I've had old ladies try to jump the queue in Migros - it was more funny than annoying (I suppose if it happens a lot, I'd get pretty peeved).

People do things that are annoying, but I'm not going to fault them if they don't know 'the rules'. I chuckled when I was waiting for an easyjet flight from Geneva to Edinburgh - a mishmashed queue amassed at the gate before boarding was announced - I overheard a Swiss person complain 'these bloody english, they really love to queue - but what for?'

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ok.... this is an honest question and no I am not inferring anything
passengers with dog's larger than a lap dog are instructed to purchase an additional ( half fare ? ) ticket for poochie.

what sort of tickets are people with 4x4 strollers instructed to buy?

Ah ha

Interesting. I have a true story on this.


I have a dog, not big but I have to buy tickets for him apparently, and I do. I used to always buy them for the trains rather than trams and buses, as no ticket inspector or bus inspector/or driver had ever requested I pay for the dog. I guess each has their discretion on size and mine is very much on border of lap dog / non lap dog.


But one evening, the tram was brought to a halt for one of those SAS sweep style inspections. Where the romanian/albanian/kosovan looking (well definitely not Swiss) inspectors with the orange hi fizz jackets go up and down the carriages inspecting everyone before allowing the tram to pass off again. I am sure this is a scam.


This guy came up to me, I showed my ticket and half price ticket and he pointed at the dog sitting between my feet. I innocently asked what the problem is and he just walked of the tram saying nothing with my ticket and half price card. I assumed I was to follow, so did, and he started writing me a ticket.

I asked, "whats the issue?" and he said, "no ticket for hunde!", in broken aggressive English. I said i did not know I had to. That was not an excuse as far as he was concerned and he was being a right dick about it.

I asked, "how am i supposed to know". He said, "ask!". I got frustrated, pointing out there was no one to ask at the tram stop, there is no sign at the tram stops or even on the trams. He then pointed at my half price rail card, asked where I bought it, and on stating at the HB he said you should of asked then. I pointed out, 1. I didnt have a dog then, and 2. Why would I randomly ask that? Thats like asking whether I need to buy a ticket for a cheeseburger.

Still, he issued me with the ticket and I got very angry and was letting him know it, interestingly a few policeman were in prescence dealing with a roadside issue and were not concerned one bit by my abuse towards this jobs worth. When asking why the commuters with huge suitcases 5 times the size of my dog werent getting fined he had no answer.

I refused to pay the fine, and havent had a follow up about it, was several months ago now, so wonder whether it was a scam all along.
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Old 16.11.2011, 16:59
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No, I think you described it pretty well.

That woman with her aggressively pointing finger must have been pretty scary for you.
It was the repeated banging directly opposite my face when a tap would have sufficed and her aggressive face that startled me. She was obviously taking her life frustrations out on me.


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A gentleman who offers to help a person in need neither expects thanks or moans about it when they don't get it.
First I did not offer any help, the help was demanded from me. I did not even know that she needed my help as not everyone on this particular tram stop gets on the tram. Many just walk past to go to the park.

Secondly it's not as if I asked her to say thank you to me. I just quietly went my own way. Either way I am no doormat. So sorry if I am not gentle enough for you.
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Here's the thing, I was not trying to give flak to anyone. I as simply trying to get something off my chest, but instead the baby haters have come out claiming that women push people around with their gigantic strollers. Not all mothers are like that just as not all people push women and tell them f*** you. The time of his post was very sexist and I called him out on it. I guess I should not reply so you don't think I am too easily offended.
As with your logic.. not all persons who posted are baby haters.

know I am supposed to be home barefoot and pregnant, but my husband let me out for my monthly shopping.

^This showed to me an offended stance.
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not sure. but i guess the same as a bike would be fair.
that is an interesting point...

tons of luggage... any time.... any day... free
prams the size of small cars.... any time.... any day.... free

but if I should try to take my bike on a train?.. better be a w.e. and it better be prepared to show it's travel ticket.
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that is an interesting point...

tons of luggage... any time.... any day... free
prams the size of small cars.... any time.... any day.... free

but if I should try to take my bike on a train?.. better be a w.e. and it better be prepared to show it's travel ticket.

and I expect someone to help me lift my bike onto the tram and all to move out of the non-seating area area to make room for my bike!
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As with your logic.. not all persons who posted are baby haters.

know I am supposed to be home barefoot and pregnant, but my husband let me out for my monthly shopping.

^This showed to me an offended stance.
Wasn't that the intention? I guess I used the wrong smiley, I should have used this Is that better?
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that is an interesting point...

tons of luggage... any time.... any day... free
prams the size of small cars.... any time.... any day.... free

but if I should try to take my bike on a train?.. better be a w.e. and it better be prepared to show it's travel ticket.
So how about a compromise. Half tickets for 4x4s, bikes and large dogs?
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So how about a compromise. Half tickets for 4x4s, bikes and large dogs?
how bout if I sit a baby on my bike? = free , plus weekday travel allowed ?
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and I expect someone to help me lift my bike onto the tram and all to move out of the non-seating area area to make room for my bike!
I would move and even help if I could, but the problem is that even you can fit in the aisle, my stroller can not, even my small one. Should I have just waited for the next tram?

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how bout if I sit a baby on my bike? = free , plus weekday travel allowed ?
Ya! ok then. Give us a smile when I aid you with your bike and child

No dogs on seat though because their poo hole comes in direct contact with the seat fabric. Exception would be dogs with boxer shorts.
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I would move and even help if I could, but the problem is that even you can fit in the aisle, my stroller can not, even my small one. Should I have just waited for the next tram?

Personally, If I approached a tram, bus or any other public transit, and there wasn't room, I wouldn't get on and would wait for the next one. Seems to be a logical mass-space issue there. On certain buses at certain times, this is a fairly standard practise.
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