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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

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Totally agree! Just yesterday I was on a tram where some clever dick had taken their kid out of their pushchair and left the pushchair in the buggy area.....with the brakes off

The damn thing was rolling all over the place and I had to keep stopping it from knocking my little one in the face!
When we first moved here, I put my kid in the stroller area on the bus and sat down without holding the stroller and it tipped over. Poor little guy was sleeping. I felt terrible.

I can't wait to get rid of mine in about 6 more months!
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Old 23.11.2011, 12:16
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When we first moved here, I put my kid in the stroller area on the bus and sat down without holding the stroller and it tipped over. Poor little guy was sleeping. I felt terrible.

I can't wait to get rid of mine in about 6 more months!

But I bet you applied the brake instead of leaving it to roll around
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Has anyone else had this problem? In the last month, I have been antagonized by a woman who refused to move even though the tram was almost empty, pushed by a man as I tried to reach my 4yo and push the stroller on the tram, and told "F*** You". I find most people here polite, but public transportation can be brutal.
It is not like I have a big choice of locations to put my stroller on the trams in Basel. Why do people not get this??? Give me a break. My German is not so good either which only adds to the frustration. Or let's say, my German can't catch up with my S. Louisiana sassy mouth.
Give the f**cker's a lashing lassie!
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Old 24.11.2011, 18:07
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Personally, If I approached a tram, bus or any other public transit, and there wasn't room, I wouldn't get on and would wait for the next one. Seems to be a logical mass-space issue there. On certain buses at certain times, this is a fairly standard practise.
I have noticed this. A long time ago I learnt never to rush for a bus, tram, train or girlfriend - there WILL be another one along, sooner or later

Seriously, given that in Basel the trams are pretty much punctual, if one comes loaded to the gunwales (usually because it is a few minutes late), I let it go pass and get the next one. Between 07:00 and 19:00 they are so frequent that it's not much of a delay to catch the next one. In fact, on more than one occasion I have let a cram packed sardine tin, sorry Tram, go by and be able to enjoy loadsa space on the next tram up.

One thing that I get from these posts is (beyond the some people are nasty/nice bit) a major concern is the size of some of these baby buggies. Add SUV sized baby haulers to the "I must get on THIS tram/bus, no matter what" attitude (parents/non-parents alike) and it is a recipe for trouble. I am happy that I have flexi-hours so that I can avoid the rush hour
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Old 26.11.2011, 20:00
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

Is the area in the middle of the bus really for strollers? The buses I use have only wheel chair and old people stickers.

Since reading this thread I have been observing strollers more closely and looks like the technology has moved on a lot. Some strollers come with bicycle style hand brakes and disc brakes for mums on the move
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

I am extremely polite. I even gave my seat to a child who could not sit anywhere else. I always help with buggies if I can. But what is it about getting on and off. Can people just not wait until you get off before they get on. The bus train or tram is not going anywhere until the door closes. The worst thing I have seen was this older couple trying to get off a bus. He was very feeble and they both tried to make it to the door. People could see they were struggling but nobody offered to help. I was too far away and could do nothing. They missed their stop.
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I am extremely polite. I even gave my seat to a child who could not sit anywhere else. I always help with buggies if I can. But what is it about getting on and off. Can people just not wait until you get off before they get on. The bus train or tram is not going anywhere until the door closes. The worst thing I have seen was this older couple trying to get off a bus. He was very feeble and they both tried to make it to the door. People could see they were struggling but nobody offered to help. I was too far away and could do nothing. They missed their stop.
This is an issue I notice a lot - people not waiting until people have got off before barging on! After extensive training (and a few strict responses) my children wait until they're pretty sure everyone who's getting off is off before getting on ...

I enjoy days when I am heading home with my guitar, in its hard case, and I get off the bus at Zurich HB into a packed scrum of commuters desperate to get on before I get off ... as quite simply, there is no space for them to squeeze on until I have left the doorway. I usually clear enough space for the other passengers to follow me off, too, and a few times have received grateful smiles, nods (and once a hug from an older woman & her little granddaughter!) from those who follow in the path I've cleared.

As for the prams issue, I've often had people shove on in front of me, fill the space, and so on.
Favourite time was when I was waiting to get on - I lined up right at the door of the tram as it stopped, reached forward, pressed the button, lifted the stroller (with 18-month-old aboard) ... then simply kept moving forward (rather than moving back and choosing to either hold the stroller in mid-air or lower it and then lift it again - and this is on an older Zurich tram, with two high steps up from street level) as some idiot tried to shove his way onto the tram before me, after running to the stop from further down the street.
When he "finally" (about ten seconds later!) got on the tram, he muttered, "Hast du keine Augen?" ("Have you no eyes?") at me & I responded, "Ja, ich bin blind, was ist dein Problem?" ("Yes, I'm blind, what's your problem?"). He muttered and walked along the half-empty tram until he found a seat that suited him, virtually identical to the ten empty ones he passed on the way there ...
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I am extremely polite. I even gave my seat to a child who could not sit anywhere else. I always help with buggies if I can. But what is it about getting on and off. Can people just not wait until you get off before they get on. The bus train or tram is not going anywhere until the door closes. The worst thing I have seen was this older couple trying to get off a bus. He was very feeble and they both tried to make it to the door. People could see they were struggling but nobody offered to help. I was too far away and could do nothing. They missed their stop.
Don't be fooled. I've stood at a tram stop next to many a doddery old dear, clinging onto a walking stick looking as if they are about to shuffle off the mortal coil then when the tram pulls up they are suddenly as spritely as an Olympic hurdler and are up the steps with their bum in a seat before you can say "bus pass".
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

I found something truly mystifying in CH ever since my arrival here: women using humongous strollers -which they cannot lift onto and off a non-step-free bus/tram on their own - for a tiny baby they could easily carry in their arms. I find such women slightly weird and a tad selfish for taking up so much space on public transport.
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I found something truly mystifying in CH ever since my arrival here: women using humongous strollers -which they cannot lift onto and off a non-step-free bus/tram on their own - for a tiny baby they could easily carry in their arms. I find such women slightly weird and a tad selfish for taking up so much space on public transport.
I take it you've not really bothered to give the rest of the thread much of a glance. No, please - just jump in with both feet; we could do with a tedious round up after 16 pages just to kick the whole thing off again...
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I take it you've not really bothered to give the rest of the thread much of a glance. No, please - just jump in with both feet; we could do with a tedious round up after 16 pages just to kick the whole thing off again...
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

well no one pushes you around when you're a 5'11'' amazon, lifting your pram into the bus without any help at all

no seriously, I was the same before I had kids - why do those moms always have to use the pub transportation during rush hours?

now I have the tiniest stroller and try to go home/out at hours when there's not too much business but it can't always be avoided - fortunately most people move (even if they only move because of a pair of wheels parked on their feet) and those who don't will be told off
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well no one pushes you around when you're a 5'11'' amazon, lifting your pram into the bus without any help at all

no seriously, I was the same before I had kids - why do those moms always have to use the pub transportation during rush hours?

now I have the tiniest stroller and try to go home/out at hours when there's not too much business but it can't always be avoided
- fortunately most people move (even if they only move because of a pair of wheels parked on their feet) and those who don't will be told off
If you work full time - you, your child and its related buggy and stuff are unfortunately stuck in the rush-hour trams and trains. Some of us have (or had) no choice.

Nice to leisurely ferry the kids around mid morning and mid afternoon but unfortunately not possible with my lifestyle...
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no seriously, I was the same before I had kids - why do those moms always have to use the pub transportation during rush hours?
My wife and other women I know dropping their children at day-care seem to get comments like this daily from other passengers.

So not only does the mother work the same hours as the complaining passengers , she also has to get children ready in the morning and sort them out in the evening.

They deserve a medal in my book!
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