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Yep, like taking them on a plane and acclimatising to pressure increases/decreases and allowing that learning process to interfere with all the other travellers who have slightly less interest in the upbringing of your spawn.
On all the flights I have taken I think I can recall only about 3 or 4 where there was a memorable amount of bad behaviour from little ones. It's mainly the teenagers who have no idea how to behave on a flight.
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At every age there are ways to equalize ear pressure.
Trust me, I know.

Want some vinegar with that misogynist chip?
What for goodness sake is misogynistic about my assertion that consideration should be a two way street.
I know loads of mums who would be horrified at the thought of attacking somebody else with the pushchair because that inconsiderate scumbag didnt immediatley move out of the way.
Its the militant mother that I was commenting on and that as we all have experienced on many occasions is unfair and emotionally blackmailing.
i blame it on the midwife myself.
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

if the train is crowded, it might also be a good idea to get a foldable pushchair and fold it up before taking it on board.
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if the train is crowded, it might also be a good idea to get a foldable pushchair and fold it up before taking it on board.

You don't have kids, do you?

Shopping, nappies etc go into the storage place under the stroller.

So, you take out the baby, then you take out the bags of shopping (that's two hands taken up).

And then you fold up the stroller and carry that too?

Actually I do this and it's heavy but because I do, I don't need to spend hours pansying around in a gym to keep fit.
Is that what you do, Phil?
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if the train is crowded, it might also be a good idea to get a foldable pushchair and fold it up before taking it on board.
This may work depending on number of children etc.

There are many ways to ensure that we all enjoy our public transport / restaurant / other experiences, be it with or without children.

Keeping children from having the experience is not the answer, finding solutions that work for everyone is.
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So to recap, its a complaint by a mother , travelling in the evening on public transport, who got pushed and insulted by a teenage thug, and its turned into a "the public don`t give enough attention to a mother" discussion.
Proves my point
Ok let's get it straight. I got on a busy tram with my 2yo and 4yo. No one would move. I said "entschildigung" as I pushed my stroller to the stroller area. My 4 to goes to the free seat in the stroller area. It was packed and I reach for him to stay close as I did not realize the seat was free and an older man pushed me. I said in English that I needed to get to my child and he grumbled. Meanwhile, a young guy is staring at me do I ask him if he had a problem in German. He begins to speak German to his friend and I do not understand what he says. I tell my son that these people are sure being rude...and that he should never act that way. I exit the tram and get cursed at.

If it is deserved, I don't see it. I am not asking for special treatment. I have flown with my two boys alone to the US. When I got off the plane, everyone was amazed at how well my children behaved. The guy next to me complained and kept everyone up with his snoring while my kids were quiet.
Your comments are not only rude and unnecessary, but also uninformed.
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

there are now mother and child parking spots cropping up in shopping centres ( somehting I totally disagree with by the way )

how about pram only coaches on the trains.... mummies line up to the left please.... one at time... no pushing... no shoving
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You don't have kids, do you?

Shopping, nappies etc go into the storage place under the stroller.

So, you take out the baby, then you take out the bags of shopping (that's two hands taken up).

And then you fold up the stroller and carry that too?

Actually I do this and it's heavy but because I do, I don't need to spend hours pansying around in a gym to keep fit.
Is that what you do, Phil?
huh? i thought you were a bloke? why do you even need a buggy? can't you just carry the baby?
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I tell my son that these people are sure being rude...and that he should never act that way.
yeah. i think i know who was the rude one on the tram.
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huh? i thought you were a bloke? why do you even need a buggy? can't you just carry the baby?
That's when the wife is carrying the other young one.

But agree with your point about strollers. We stopped using one for our middle child when he was just a few months over two.
But I can't expect my wife to carry two kids when they get tired.
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yeah. i think i know who was the rude one on the tram.
Because I told my child not to push people and state them down? Wow!! I am as upset as I was when this happened. Thanks people! I forgot how brutal forums could be. I promise I will never try to get things off my chest here again.

I think it was you and that grumpy person on that tram !
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I said "entschildigung"
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my German can't catch up with my S. Louisiana sassy mouth.
I'm Trying to imagine how you would pronounce that with your accent.

and I get:
"Ein Schule die gung"

google translates that to "A School supply"

Seeing you with other small children, the poor guy probably has a thing against teachers.



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Seriously,
I never see the mother, I see the baby in the pram.

I Always move, or help where I can.


Some other advice,
This has happened before, and will happen again.
If a dog barks at you, do you let it bother you?
..... It's hard to understand these people so don't try, just let it go.

Best thing you can do is always be as polite as possible.

It's harder to be an arsehole to someone who is smiling and being polite.... it's really easy for them when you play "their game" (afterall, they are better at it).
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leave the stroller at home. problem solved.
Not possible! I have back problems and my 2 yo gets tired.
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Ok let's get it straight. I got on a busy tram with my 2yo and 4yo. No one would move. I said "entschildigung" as I pushed my stroller to the stroller area. My 4 to goes to the free seat in the stroller area. It was packed and I reach for him to stay close as I did not realize the seat was free and an older man pushed me. I said in English that I needed to get to my child and he grumbled. Meanwhile, a young guy is staring at me do I ask him if he had a problem in German. He begins to speak German to his friend and I do not understand what he says. I tell my son that these people are sure being rude...and that he should never act that way. I exit the tram and get cursed at.

If it is deserved, I don't see it. I am not asking for special treatment. I have flown with my two boys alone to the US. When I got off the plane, everyone was amazed at how well my children behaved. The guy next to me complained and kept everyone up with his snoring while my kids were quiet.
Your comments are not only rude and unnecessary, but also uninformed.
So you also think I am being rude??? It kind of puts into question your opinion of what constitutes rude and furthermore I didnt suggest your kids misbehaved on airplanes, I observed that many do.
The problem here is that as I pointed out , some girls persona changes after child birth into one using a persons emotional responsability as a nice little open wound to pour a whole heap of salt onto. Is it because the woman resents having been changed from a beautiful young thing into a mother with responsabilities? Is it the outset of the menapause in an early form?
In any case it comes out as a form of militarialistic expectation on others to comply with that persons demands purely because of the situation she finds herself in.
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I'm Trying to imagine how you would pronounce that with your accent.

and I get:
"Ein Schule die gung"

google translates that to "A School supply"

Seeing you with other small children, the poor guy probably has a thing against teachers.



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Seriously,
I never see the mother, I see the baby in the pram.

I Always move, or help where I can.


Some other advice,
This has happened before, and will happen again.
If a dog barks at you, do you let it bother you?
..... It's hard to understand these people so don't try, just let it go.

Best thing you can do is always be as polite as possible.

It's harder to be an arsehole to someone who is smiling and being polite.... it's really easy for them when you play "their game" (afterall, they are better at it).
Thank you.
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So you also think I am being rude??? It kind of puts into question your opinion of what constitutes rude and furthermore I didnt suggest your kids misbehaved on airplanes, I observed that many do.
The problem here is that as I pointed out , some girls persona changes after child birth into one using a persons emotional responsability as a nice little open wound to pour a whole heap of salt onto. Is it because the woman resents having been changed from a beautiful young thing into a mother with responsabilities? Is it the outset of the menapause in an early form?
In any case it comes out as a form of militarialistic expectation on others to comply with that persons demands purely because of the situation she finds herself in.
This puts into question your opinion of reality...
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

I love Switzerland. I really love how organised things are here and how polite people can be.

However, when entering public transportation it's another story. After a year and a half of being here, I've notice this is the order of entrance into trams, buses and trains:

- Men
- Young women
- Women
- Old people
- prams

It's incredible how rude can people be and for me, they can even push you and step over you and it looks more like a "survival" attitude of getting a 4 free seat row for their own..

I was polite in the begining but now I'm sick of it, and if I see someone in that "I'm going first" attitude, I get in a combat reaction...If you are rude, I can be even more!
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Because I told my child not to push people and state them down? Wow!! I am as upset as I was when this happened. Thanks people! I forgot how brutal forums could be. I promise I will never try to get things off my chest here again.

I think it was you and that grumpy person on that tram !
well, i think if you're honest with yourself, you weren't 'educating your child' but making a snarky remark at others after not even knowing what they said!
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I'm Trying to imagine how you would pronounce that with your accent.

and I get:
"Ein Schule die gung"

google translates that to "A School supply"

Seeing you with other small children, the poor guy probably has a thing against teachers.



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Seriously,
I never see the mother, I see the baby in the pram.

I Always move, or help where I can.


Some other advice,
This has happened before, and will happen again.
If a dog barks at you, do you let it bother you?
..... It's hard to understand these people so don't try, just let it go.

Best thing you can do is always be as polite as possible.

It's harder to be an arsehole to someone who is smiling and being polite.... it's really easy for them when you play "their game" (afterall, they are better at it).
In shu di gunk. That's probably what ticked them off!
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there are now mother and child parking spots cropping up in shopping centres ( somehting I totally disagree with by the way )

how about pram only coaches on the trains.... mummies line up to the left please.... one at time... no pushing... no shoving
Why do you disagree with mother and child parking spots? From what I've noticed, they are wider which is very handy when trying to buckle a child in a carseat. When I had 3 very small kids, not long ago but before they had these parking spaces, I'd park as far away as possible, hoping that no one would park beside me (atleast on one side). I once came back to my car and could barely get my side open let alone the passenger side and had to throw my kids in the trunk and back up the car before I had enough space to get them into their car seats! Having wider spaces is very helpful, also for the cars parked beside that have less chance of being dented by inconsiderate drivers (not me of course ) trying to squeeze their kids into the car!

Also, with cars backing in and out, it's safer for people with kids to be able to park closer. I don't see how that's a bad thing.
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