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This puts into question your opinion of reality...
Im also quite good at the "Last Word" game
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I love Switzerland. I really love how organised things are here and how polite people can be.

However, when entering public transportation it's another story. After a year and a half of being here, I've notice this is the order of entrance into trams, buses and trains:

- Men
- Young women
- Women
- Old people
- prams

It's incredible how rude can people be and for me, they can even push you and step over you and it looks more like a "survival" attitude of getting a 4 free seat row for their own..

I was polite in the begining but now I'm sick of it, and if I see someone in that "I'm going first" attitude, I get in a combat reaction...If you are rude, I can be even more!
are you kidding. the old people are the most viscious. and let's not get started on the idiots who walk along the platform tracking the door (usually the ones who are useless at predicting where the door will end up).
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well, i think if you're honest with yourself, you weren't 'educating your child' but making a snarky remark at others after not even knowing what they said!
I said this to my child after I was pushed, after I was stared at. I didn't need to know what they said. I was stared down. You are just trying to annoy me.
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Why do you disagree with mother and child parking spots?
because it sends the signal that it is ok to bring kids out with you shopping instead of leaving them at home.
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So you also think I am being rude??? It kind of puts into question your opinion of what constitutes rude and furthermore I didnt suggest your kids misbehaved on airplanes, I observed that many do.
The problem here is that as I pointed out , some girls persona changes after child birth into one using a persons emotional responsability as a nice little open wound to pour a whole heap of salt onto. Is it because the woman resents having been changed from a beautiful young thing into a mother with responsabilities? Is it the outset of the menapause in an early form?
In any case it comes out as a form of militarialistic expectation on others to comply with that persons demands purely because of the situation she finds herself in.
Do you think of old people in the same respect? I mean don't they choose to kill themselves before their bodies give out...By your logic, why would I give up my seat on public transport for old people?

It's common courtesy to think about other people. I want my comfort, but giving up my seat or moving to make space is a small sacrifice in the long-run.
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Why do you disagree with mother and child parking spots? From what I've noticed, they are wider ....
exactly... they are wider leaving plenty of room for mum's in their 4X4's that have never even seen the side of a mountain, and there are generally about 10 of these stupidly oversized spots taking up prime parking.

you want to take your sprogs shopping... park at the end.. good exercise for you both.

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exactly... they are wider leaving plenty of room for mum's in their 4X4's that have never even seen the side of a mountain, and there are generally about 10 of these stupidly oversized spots taking up prime parking.

you want to take your sprogs shopping... park at the end.. good exercise for you both.

My dad parks in the parent and child spot when I go shopping with him. I'm nearly 30. Awesome.
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because it sends the signal that it is ok to bring kids out with you shopping instead of leaving them at home.
Yeah, those damn laws of the land getting in the way of leaving a 2 year old at home on their own while mum goes out for groceries. Interfering buggers...
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Do you think of old people in the same respect? I mean don't they choose to kill themselves before their bodies give out...By your logic, why would I give up my seat on public transport for old people?

It's common courtesy to think about other people. I want my comfort, but giving up my seat or moving to make space is a small sacrifice in the long-run.
I think you misquoted, afterall your comment has about as much to do with what I observed as Berlasconis interest in Italian Economic recovery
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Yeah, those damn laws of the land getting in the way of leaving a 2 year old at home on their own while mum goes out for groceries. Interfering buggers...
It's alright Sandgrounder .. the lack of parent and child car parking spaces sends out the signal that its ok to leave your children at home alone, thus overriding federal law.
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because it sends the signal that it is ok to bring kids out with you shopping instead of leaving them at home.
I suppose children can take care I'm themselves now? You obviously hate children and people who have them.
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Im also quite good at the "Last Word" game
I bet you are... I'm not. Carry on...
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I suppose children can take care I'm themselves now? You obviously hate children and people who have them.
Well it is quite irresponsible.
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I bet you are... I'm not. Carry on...
I rest my case......again
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I think you misquoted, afterall your comment has about as much to do with what I observed as Berlasconis interest in Italian Economic recovery
I'm being obtuse.

You think that women change after having a child and somehow garner a sense of self importance or entitlement to special treatment.

Now, tell me if I'm wrong; isn't this something that happens to people of a certain age? Oftentimes the older generation expect people to get out of their seats immediately and on demand.
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On the other hand, what is up with people with buggies and absolutely no spatial awareness or common sense? When someone's back is turned to you, they can't guess you are barging in with your mammoth child-mobile the size of a space station. At least indicate your arrival instead of just ramming the damn thing into me. I'm not standing there for fun but because the rest of the tram is full.
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because it sends the signal that it is ok to bring kids out with you shopping instead of leaving them at home.
I don't really enjoy shopping with my kids. However, sometimes you need to take them along to try on shoes, clothes, whatever. We're usually in and out of there pretty fast only because I would rather be doing anything else than strolling around the shops with bored, cranky kids. If other people choose to do this, that's their business. It doesn't bother me though if kids are out shopping with their parents. I find it much more annoying if the path gets blocked by adults stopping in the middle, chatting and oblivious to everyone else around them.
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I suppose children can take care I'm themselves now? You obviously hate children and people who have them.
no. i just think that people who can't organise their life so that the only possible alternative to taking the children shopping is to leave them at home alone, should not be allowed to have children in the first place.
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I rest my case......again
I know you are, but what am I?
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

It seems there is quite an anti child brigade on this forum, which i think is sad. It is hard being a parent in todays world and even harder when (in the case of quite a few parents on this forum) you are bringing up a family in a foreign country without the help and support of your family and friends from back home.

Parent and child parking spaces make for an easier life for all - parents can actually get their children in the back of the car and other drivers don't get their doors accidentally banged.

Moving out if the way for a person struggling with a pram is common courtesy, as is giving your seat for a pregnant woman.

We will all be old one day, i for one would like to hope that when i am old common courtesy is still alive and the younger generation will give me a seat on the bus or pass me something from a hard to reach shelf in a shop, just as i would do for the elderly generation now.

Thankfully we are not in an 'everyman for himself' society just yet...
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