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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

Dear mums and mommas,

I understand your child/stroller is centre of your world. I get it, I really do but your child/stroller is NOT centre of my world so stop acting like it is! For me you are just another stressed out mum amongst many on the street. I did not impregnate any of you in the night while you were fast asleep so I assume most of you had the child by choice. Please deal with the consequences of your life choices. Don't expect the world or me to adapt to your choices.

If on the other hand you had a virgin birth then you have my full sympathy

I will continue helping you needy mums just as I would anyone else because I am an ok kind of guy. That said I would always aid an older person first because unlike having a child old age is not a choice.

Aggressive mums of Zurich please smile and say thank you properly when I help you with your 4x4 vehicle. I am not the dad so lifting your truck is not my job.

I hope we can continue to co exist but enough of the hitting with the tank! You are not your stroller. Your stroller extends 10 meters in front of you so walk accordingly.

Happy nappy changing.

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I didn't say it was exclusively Switzerland.

I didn't say it was better in ALL other countries. However, the fact there is many a thread, dicussion re: this sort of topic, I would take a wild guess that people find it common place in Switzerland, and, are surprised by it. Go figure.

I am from, lived, and worked in london for 8 years. Can't say I share your views. Sure, the amount of people commuting is ten times that here, so the over crowdedness causes more rage, but generally there is an etiquette which people follow. The rage you speak off is generally when a foreigner, non-londoner, whatever, breaks the code of etiquette and barges their way on whilst 20 people, 10 either side of the doors, are allowing people off, or doesnt allow those waiting before them on first, common sense and courteousy.

Now if the etiquette here is each man for themselves, prevent others from boarding, do not make space, then thats fine by me, but I do not believe that is the case, its just very common.
There's very little etiquette to travelling in London! Can't really blame foreigners for the general rudeness of the locals.

Back to the topic at hand: when politely asking people to move, they usually comply (and sometimes they are quite embarrassed that they were in the way). Sometimes there needs to be a firm 'excusez' or 'aller'.

The one thing that I've noticed here, is that people don't generally help others get on/off trams with prams or heavy luggage. Maybe something to do with personal liability?
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Dear mums and mommas,

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Do you have a different version/message for dads and daddas with strollers?
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I've seen a few mothers using this method and I think its awesome:



Can any parents shed light why its not as popular as it should be, especially during rush hour??
I carried my little one in something sumilar while my older one was in a stroller.
Which is probably why I have back problems now. My main problem with this is, how do you go to the bathroom? I mean I have done it and it is not pleasant. Trying to squat while you try to make sure your older child does not dig in the trash. I carried mine as much as possible though. Actually, I hate strollers and will love the day I can get rid of mine. Right now it is not possible.
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There's very little etiquette to travelling in London! Can't really blame foreigners for the general rudeness of the locals.
London has scorned you I see. Perhaps one of the individuals who didn't notice the etiquette, which does exist, and defaulted and faced the full wrath of a true Londoner.

I like to think of myself as a very polite and considerate person, and I have carried this with me to Zurich. When I see mums with buggies, I aid them on, if elderly people get on I give up my seat, I allow people off before attempting to get on. When I arrive at tram/train stop, I make a mental note of all those waiting before I arrive, I allow them on before I even attempt it. That was my philopshy in London, and how most respectful decent people operate. That said, I have shouted, abused, chucked suitcases and physically pulled back individuals who flout this common courteousy, some have tried to defend their actions, most look to the floor in shame.

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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

Have had some instances similar in Zurich, but I just keep pushing my way in...where do they think I can with a pram, I don't fit down the aisle, but they DO. I understand the other frustration, not being able to say much more than excuse me please in German!
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Dads and daddas with strollers? Haven't been hit by any so would be unfair to pick on them but I am a fair guy so an edited version seņorita-

Dear Parent,

I understand your child/stroller is centre of your world. I get it, I really do but your child/stroller is NOT centre of my world so stop acting like it is! For me you are just another stressed out parent amongst many on the street. My sperm played no part in your child's birth nor did you seek my permission before becoming a parent so I assume you had the child by choice. Please deal with the consequences of your life choices. Don't expect the world or me to adapt to your choices.

If on the other hand you had a virgin birth then you have my full sympathy

I will continue helping you needy parents just as I would anyone else because I am an ok kind of guy. That said I would always aid an older person first because unlike having a child old age is not a choice.

Aggressive parents of Zurich please smile and say thank you properly when I help you with your 4x4 vehicle. I am not the dad so lifting your truck is not my job.

I hope we can continue to co exist but enough of the hitting with the tank! You are not your stroller. Your stroller extends 10 meters in front of you so walk accordingly.

Happy nappy changing.

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But they do. Some of the carriages on the S2 trains have an area precisely for strollers, bikes and wheelchairs with easy access to the door, and on the flat, lower half of the carriage.
The seats fold away.

Unfortunately, this area always seems to be taken up with people who could easily sit elsewhere.

(wasn't this the point the OP was trying to make).
Exactly! I was entering the tram in the area clearly marked for strollers. My stroller is not that big(it is a Quinny) I can also fold up the handle so I can be almost as compact as my small stroller.
I can take a little rude behavior, but pushing and cursing is unnecessary. I am from the South US. I would rather die than be direct and pushy!I think most people think I am weird because I am so polite.
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There's very little etiquette to travelling in London! Can't really blame foreigners for the general rudeness of the locals.
London has scorned you I see. Perhaps one of the individuals who didn't notice the etiquette, which does exist, and defaulted and faced the full wrath of a true Londoner.

I like to think of myself as a very polite and considerate person, and I have carried this with me to Zurich. When I see mums with buggies, I aid them on, if elderly people get on I give up my seat, I allow people off before attempting to get on. When I arrive at tram/train stop, I make a mental note of all those waiting before I arrive, I allow them on before I even attempt it. That was my philopshy in London, and how most respectful decent people operate. That said, I have shouted, abused, chucked suitcases and physically pulled back individuals who flout this common courteousy, some have tried to defend their actions, most look to the floor in shame.
Nah, it's just that I have some common courtesy, which doesn't run through the veins of your bog-standard London commuter. Having lived there for 5 years I was well versed with the city and handled myself well. After a while you get fed-up with the passive aggressiveness.

Londoners I have no problem with - it's the common disregard and pathetic behaviour of people on public transport which saddens me.

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I mean really?

I am saving for my old age so I can afford a servant and happily remain child free in my prime young years and not waste them away by being a servant to a needy and annoying child How about you don't worry about my old age and in return don't expect special treatment just because you knowingly chose to have a child and a 4x4 stroller?


Who knows maybe it will be my child being your servant/doctor/carer :-) So for me yes to the choice of having a child, but no to the 4x4 type stroller far to big and heavy for me
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Dads and daddas with strollers? Haven't been hit by any so would be unfair to pick on them but I am a fair guy so an edited version seņorita-

Dear Parent,

I understand your child/stroller is centre of your world. I get it, I really do but your child/stroller is NOT centre of my world so stop acting like it is! For me you are just another stressed out parent amongst many on the street. My sperm played no part in your child's birth nor did you seek my permission before becoming a parent so I assume you had the child by choice. Please deal with the consequences of your life choices. Don't expect the world or me to adapt to your choices.

If on the other hand you had a virgin birth then you have my full sympathy

I will continue helping you needy parents just as I would anyone else because I am an ok kind of guy. That said I would always aid an older person first because unlike having a child old age is not a choice.

Aggressive parents of Zurich please smile and say thank you properly when I help you with your 4x4 vehicle. I am not the dad so lifting your truck is not my job.

I hope we can continue to co exist but enough of the hitting with the tank! You are not your stroller. Your stroller extends 10 meters in front of you so walk accordingly.

Happy nappy changing.

Regards
Turnip
All I am asking is that people please be considerate and move to another location when you are standing in the ONLY place I can stand. I know I am supposed to be home barefoot and pregnant, but my husband let me out for my monthly shopping.
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All I am asking is that people please be considerate and move to another location when you are standing in the ONLY place I can stand. I know I am supposed to be home barefoot and pregnant, but my husband let me out for my monthly shopping.
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No, that would be smart.

And expensive to retrofit, which is probably why it hasn't been done yet.
Well, I doubt that it will be too expensive. Switzerland isn't a forward thinking country and strictly abides by the rule of "if it ain't totally broke wrecked then we're not going to vote for it". Also, I would even take it a step further and implement a business class wagon, an easy access wagon (as previously mentioned) and a cattle class with no seats but with "lean against" stools.
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What!?! If I am easily offended don't join this thread? Um that's not in the description. I am not easily offended at all! I just think his comment is kinda sexist.
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What!?! If I am easily offended don't join this thread? Um that's not in the description. I am not easily offended at all! I just think his comment is kinda sexist.
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

But why get it off your chest when someone will just rub it in your face. Doesn't make sense! Ouchboy, I bet you are gloating on a cloud of self-righteousness.
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

Things I find amusing about people with strollers

#1 - When crossing the road where visibility is poor they move out to the position they can see - leaving the stroller in the road. They might now be able to see the van that wipes out the stroller.
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But why get it off your chest when someone will just rub it in your face. Doesn't make sense! Ouchboy, I bet you are gloating on a cloud of self-righteousness.
Just saying that if you "get it off your chest", be prepared for someone to put it back in there. (that sounds wrong..wahteva)

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Cajun Swiss-

I feel for you. I've entirely given up bringing a stroller with me to and from daycare. 5 days a week, two kids, rush hour, it was horrible! As soon as the younger kid could walk at all, we ditched her ride.

Oh, and it was a Maclaren, so hardly an SUV.

The only problem is when they're both tired/cranky, there's no way for me to carry them both!
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