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Nah, it's just that I have some common courtesy, which doesn't run through the veins of your bog-standard London commuter. Having lived there for 5 years I was well versed with the city and handled myself well. After a while you get fed-up with the passive aggressiveness.

Londoners I have no problem with - it's the common disregard and pathetic behaviour of people on public transport which saddens me.
actually, i found london commuters to be very polite and the system works well to shift people efficiently from A to B.

from the sounds of it, it could be the case that you were the one that didn't get it, only everyone was too polite to tell you where you were going wrong.
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

True story!

I was sitting next to the window on my local tram thinking about the romantic breakfast I had with my wife few hours earlier. In my peripheral vision I see some mum with stroller and two additional kids. She disappears from my view

A minute later the woman bangs on the window right next to my face and sends me into cardiac arrest. I quickly recover from the heart trauma and try to understand what the hell she was on about. I see her aggressively pointing to the door so I gingerly get up and help her with the 4x4 vehicle. In the process I pull my back muscle as her 4x4 vehicle was loaded with shopping that could feed a whole continent. Child was huge too so that did not help my back.

Being a gentleman I took it all in the stride hoping a thank you and smile would make up for all the trouble. Woman turns her nose up and completely ignores me. I quietly go and sit in my window seat and wash the woman off my mind and get back to thoughts of the romantic breakfast.

As the tram starts moving all three kids start crying and making high pitched noises. This results in shattering of my ear drums and major headache.

Now mums is it my fault that the woman decided to have three kids in the space of three years? When you need help you should ask nicely while making a friendly face instead of being aggressive.

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I would rather die than be direct and pushy!I think most people think I am weird because I am so polite.
Well, I am polite and some of the remarks I heard in the US left me stand there with my mouth open and laughing. Polite and not pushy is all fine and dandy, but do not expect all the passangers on public transport to be the same. Some won't be, irrespectively of the country. So, one either toughens up a tad, avoids the transport, or at least peak hours, or shrugs it off. Usually it is the language barier that peeves people off, not knowing how to react when something is happening, than the actual rudeness. It passes, and, it's not unhealthy to become a tad more assertive when travelling. A buggy can serve as a nice medieval ramming tool... I had once a teen falling on top of my baby in the pram.
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actually, i found london commuters to be very polite and the system works well to shift people efficiently from A to B.

from the sounds of it, it could be the case that you were the one that didn't get it, only everyone was too polite to tell you where you were going wrong.

I interpreted it that way too, just didn't want to drag it out, clearly still hurting from an incident(s)
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True story!


A minute later the woman bangs on the window right next to my face and sends me into cardiac arrest. I quickly recover from the heart trauma and try to understand what the hell she was on about. I see her aggressively pointing to the door so I gingerly get up and help her with the 4x4 vehicle. In the process I pull my back muscle as her 4x4 vehicle was loaded with shopping that could feed a whole continent. Child was huge too so that did not help my back.
She made the mistake of not asking a man to help her.
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Who knows maybe it will be my child being your servant/doctor/carer :-)
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True story!

I was sitting next to the window on my local tram thinking about the romantic breakfast I had with my wife few hours earlier. In my peripheral vision I see some mum with stroller and two additional kids. She disappears from my view

A minute later the woman bangs on the window right next to my face and sends me into cardiac arrest. I quickly recover from the heart trauma and try to understand what the hell she was on about. I see her aggressively pointing to the door so I gingerly get up and help her with the 4x4 vehicle. In the process I pull my back muscle as her 4x4 vehicle was loaded with shopping that could feed a whole continent. Child was huge too so that did not help my back.

Being a gentleman I took it all in the stride hoping a thank you and smile would make up for all the trouble. Woman turns her nose up and completely ignores me. I quietly go and sit in my window seat and wash the woman off my mind and get back to thoughts of the romantic breakfast.

As the tram starts moving all three kids start crying and making high pitched noises. This results in shattering of my ear drums and major headache.

Now mums is it my fault that the woman decided to have three kids in the space of three years? When you need help you should ask nicely while making a friendly face instead of being aggressive.

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Ahhhhh, in this situation is where Mr Polite and Courteous Moi turns into nastiest man in the world.

I would have no doubt said something to her, but if the language barrier was an issue, I would of just proceeded to move her buggy and children off the tram at the next stop, irrespective of whether she wanted to get off or not. But with said back issue, I guess this wasnt an option for you.

Seriously, I would of done that.
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actually, i found london commuters to be very polite and the system works well to shift people efficiently from A to B.

from the sounds of it, it could be the case that you were the one that didn't get it, only everyone was too polite to tell you where you were going wrong.
Perhaps we were living in different Londons?

TFL is broken, too often is the tube overcrowded or broken and buses don't turn up. Which is probably the cause of a lot of commuter frustrations.

But yes, everyone in London is much too polite to correct my stupidity and lack of ability to board and alight public transport. And absolutely no-one else in the entirety of London and the surrounding areas shared my feelings on the matter either

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She made the mistake of not asking a man to help her.
That must be it. As you were there you obviously have a better idea of how it went down.
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Old 16.11.2011, 15:27
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Perhaps we were living in different Londons?

TFL is broken, too often is the tube overcrowded or broken and buses don't turn up. Which is probably the cause of a lot of commuter frustrations.

But yes, everyone in London is much too polite to correct my stupidity and lack off ability to board and alight public transport. And absolutely no-one else in the entirety of London and the surrounding areas shared my feelings on the matter either
You seem to be confusing the efficeny of the public transport with the etiquette of the people.

Yes, we all know TFL is a joke, the tubes are hiedously ancient and over crowded, but the code of conduct still stands. Of course, said efficiency issues do not help the commuter frustrations, but we live with them. What sends people into rage is people adding to that frustration by being impolite.

I hope you understand now and do not resort to throwing your toys out the pram.
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Now mums is it my fault that the woman decided to have three kids in the space of three years? When you need help you should ask nicely while making a friendly face instead of being aggressive.
AMEN!

Although I have to question the truthiness of your post... "romantic breakfast with... your wife??? And no bacon involved? I don't buy it for a minute!
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Ahhhhh, in this situation is where Mr Polite and Courteous Moi turns into nastiest man in the world.

I would have no doubt said something to her, but if the language barrier was an issue, I would of just proceeded to move her buggy and children off the tram at the next stop, irrespective of whether she wanted to get off or not. But with said back issue, I guess this wasnt an option for you.

Seriously, I would of done that.
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Ahhhhh, in this situation is where Mr Polite and Courteous Moi turns into nastiest man in the world.

I would have no doubt said something to her, but if the language barrier was an issue, I would of just proceeded to move her buggy and children off the tram at the next stop, irrespective of whether she wanted to get off or not. But with said back issue, I guess this wasnt an option for you.

Seriously, I would of done that.
I was joking about heart and back. It was my way of saying that the stroller, shopping and the huge kid weighed a ton

She was basically angry with me for not being a mind reader. She made an evil aggressive face commanding me to help her. I don't think language played a part as I have helped all kinds of people. Smile has no language
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Just saying that if you "get it off your chest", be prepared for someone to put it back in there. (that sounds wrong..wahteva)

My measure for complaints:
What ever? But why? I mean I ask you as I would ask those men on the tram. Why be a jerk? Procreating is not a problem, it's dealing with people who won't step aside and be a decent person. I have a right to be there. I can't stay home all the time. Don't you have a mother? Didn't she raise you to respect people? That's what I would have said to that guy. I guess I did get it off my chest, so thanks.
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Perhaps we were living in different Londons?

TFL is broken, too often is the tube overcrowded or broken and buses don't turn up. Which is probably the cause of a lot of commuter frustrations.

But yes, everyone in London is much too polite to correct my stupidity and lack of ability to board and alight public transport. And absolutely no-one else in the entirety of London and the surrounding areas shared my feelings on the matter either
well, you would be surprised at the number of people who don't know how to walk on the correct side, at the right speed, at the right angle and change direction in the right way.

heck, even coming here, you realise people can't even get basics such as standing on one side of an escalator and walking on the other side, and letting people off the train before getting on.

queueing, respecting a 'virtual queue' (letting people on in the order of arrival when there is no orderly queue) etc. are of course alien concepts here.
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Re: People not moving when I try to get on tram with stroller

ok.... this is an honest question and no I am not inferring anything
passengers with dog's larger than a lap dog are instructed to purchase an additional ( half fare ? ) ticket for poochie.

what sort of tickets are people with 4x4 strollers instructed to buy?
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What ever? But why? I mean I ask you as I would ask those men on the tram. Why be a jerk? Procreating is not a problem, it's dealing with people who won't step aside and be a decent person. I have a right to be there. I can't stay home all the time. Don't you have a mother? Didn't she raise you to respect people? That's what I would have said to that guy. I guess I did get it off my chest, so thanks.
I/We annot assess the situation as we were not there. Most probably he WAS a jerk. You do have a right to be there, and so does he. Now my beef it's not with your complaint, just that you get angry when people fire back in a thread that it's about getting things off. .

give and take flak. that's all. The current issue of the people counter arguing is that, prams and baby related equipment is not the smallest thing ever. And while EF'ers are willing to be accomodatting, ssaid equipment doesn't make it easy.
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ok.... this is an honest question and no I am not inferring anything
passengers with dog's larger than a lap dog are instructed to purchase an additional ( half fare ? ) ticket for poochie.

what sort of tickets are people with 4x4 strollers instructed to buy?
The same ticket as people with 4 tons of luggage?

Oh, and in case you think I am referring to the child in the pram as luggage - the child under 6 years old doesn't need a ticket anyway...
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ok.... this is an honest question and no I am not inferring anything
passengers with dog's larger than a lap dog are instructed to purchase an additional ( half fare ? ) ticket for poochie.

what sort of tickets are people with 4x4 strollers instructed to buy?
Nothing extra. Here we go...
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Nothing extra.
ahh..... the sprog entitlement.
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