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Old 23.11.2011, 16:56
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Re: Thinking outside the box.

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Yes, I can't imagine who would have brought up the subject of the Victorian railway system in the UK on a thread about shop assistants in a Swiss branch of Zara to in the first place.

Let me look back through the thread - hmmm...

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Old 23.11.2011, 17:32
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Re: Thinking outside the box.

I have hardly ever met a foreigner who was so good at thinking outside of his (cultural) box that he/she was just able to do things differently (aka: Swiss)

But it's true that we Swiss prefer to solve problems in the box rather than outside of it.

But before accusing others of not being able to think outside the box, how good are you in adapting to different ways of getting things done, especially when it generally seems to work rather well?

And how good are you in assessing the trade-off of doing things in a predictable, tested and practiced way as opposed to the novel, individual, improvised way?

I have to admit that I'm not very good at doing things the "normal" way, but there's very little benefit of merely doing it different/your way if it isn't clearly superior to the old way.
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Re: Thinking outside the box.

Was thinking the same, lol. Why are so many people complaining here if they can't think and adapt to a slighlty (or very) different box, heyThere are lots of boxes out there, and lots of ways of thinking outside them.
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I never said it was, sweetie-pie, I never said it was...
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I have hardly ever met a foreigner who was so good at thinking outside of his (cultural) box that he/she was just able to do things differently (aka: Swiss)

But it's true that we Swiss prefer to solve problems in the box rather than outside of it.

But before accusing others of not being able to think outside the box, how good are you in adapting to different ways of getting things done, especially when it generally seems to work rather well?

And how good are you in assessing the trade-off of doing things in a predictable, tested and practiced way as opposed to the novel, individual, improvised way?

I have to admit that I'm not very good at doing things the "normal" way, but there's very little benefit of merely doing it different/your way if it isn't clearly superior to the old way.
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Old 23.11.2011, 18:10
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I never said it was, sweetie-pie, I never said it was...

Well what you rabbiting on about then. Or just being difficult for the sake of being difficult? Your job must be boring as hell. But its in Switzerland, so prob pays well
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Old 23.11.2011, 18:39
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Perhaps this is a bit of insight into the relatively high suicide rate of the country.
OMG. Can we please, please, please stop using the suicide rate as a way to "prove" anything?

Suicide is a complicated issues related to many things including religion, culture, etc not to mention EXIT which distorts the figures and is in no way related to "outside the box" thinking.

Well, maybe the Swiss do "think outside the box" in end of life decisions.

Anyway, I agree with Sandgrounder, an encounter at Zara does not illustrate anything about the whole freaking country.

Why is it when "expats" run into dummies at the stores when they are abroad it's a reflection of the whole society yet when it happens at home they just consider it a run in with a dummy?
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Old 23.11.2011, 18:48
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OMG. Can we please, please, please stop using the suicide rate as a way to "prove" anything?

Suicide is a complicated issues related to many things including religion, culture, etc not to mention EXIT which distorts the figures and is in no way related to "outside the box" thinking.

Well, maybe the Swiss do "think outside the box" in end of life decisions.

Anyway, I agree with Sandgrounder, an encounter at Zara does not illustrate anything about the whole freaking country.

Why is it when "expats" run into dummies at the stores when they are abroad it's a reflection of the whole society yet when it happens at home they just consider it a run in with a dummy?

Well it definitely wasn't used as a proof (see: perhaps, insight). But all the Swiss suicides I know of (>10) have been in the situation of people who were 1. swiss, 2. mentally stable with a normal life 3. Sudden case of misfortune 4. Unsure how to deal with it and took their life.

Yep--not the total sample set, but definitely something worth noting. Some of these cases when described to many collegues back home were received with: Seriously? Deal with it? HTFU. Harsh, but again worth noting on an open discussion.
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OMG. Can we please, please, please stop using the suicide rate as a way to "prove" anything?

Suicide is a complicated issues related to many things including religion, culture, etc not to mention EXIT which distorts the figures and is in no way related to "outside the box" thinking.

Well, maybe the Swiss do "think outside the box" in end of life decisions.

Anyway, I agree with Sandgrounder, an encounter at Zara does not illustrate anything about the whole freaking country.

Why is it when "expats" run into dummies at the stores when they are abroad it's a reflection of the whole society yet when it happens at home they just consider it a run in with a dummy?
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Re: Thinking outside the box.

You could
- give them a death stare and walk into the cabin
- tell them you are pregnant and dont feel like having a discussion
- Take a picture of them and say, "Ah, it's only for the cleaner, you know, he will meet you later"
- Swear in Russian and wave your arms around, then head straight in the cabin
- Hide two pieces inbetween the other six
- Just walk into the cabin (additionally, if desired, fart for the effect you want to be left alone)
- Smile and say "I love you too" and then walk into the cabin
- Take your phone and call somebody and tell them it is an important call and yet again walk in the cabin
- Tell them you dont want to be aggravated when youre out of antipsychotic drugs
- Say "Talk to the Hand" and head inside
- Tell them the last time you have been in this shop you have been molested and you will sue them if they dont leave you take 8 pieces to try on
- Throw the clothes on the floor and head to another Zara
- Say "I understand" and yet again head into the cabin ignoring them
- Agree then later walk around the shop again and if you find any light switches switch them off act surprised
- Ask if handguns are allowed in the cabins
- Ask if it includes the pieces you are trying to steal
- Ask if you can hang two of them on the door so they can see them
- Only talk to people above 120k yearly income, rest is unworthy of your time
- Take a pen and make an 8 out of the 6 if there is a sign, head into cabin
- Tell them you have a serious skin condition and shouldnt be touching stuff too often, it minimizes the risk of contagion
- Make Bruce Lee sounds and head into cabin
- Claim two cabins, put 4 pieces into each
- Head to another level if they have cabins there

Just pick.
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Old 23.11.2011, 19:33
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calm down

dude, stop reading too much into what I wrote, yeah? I'm quite calm. Thank you for your concern.
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dude, stop reading too much into what I wrote, yeah? I'm quite calm. Thank you for your concern.
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I was wondering how you got yourself all the red rep. Now I see it.
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I was wondering how you got yourself all the red rep. Now I see it.
Thank you for your concern.
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I was wondering how you got yourself all the red rep. Now I see it.
Paaaa, just to fill you in., as it’s fun. The red tends to step from a lack of activity in general, and then what activity has occurred in the last few weeks, much has been on anti smoking thread, whereby militant anti smokers didn’t like what I was telling them about distorted facts and stats so......go figure, they groan me. Lucky I am thick skinned eh!

But for the record:

OMG
Repetititve pleases
Freaking

Are examples of words used when someone seems a little ruffled.

Likewise, the best bit, is generalising “expats” in a comment whereby you are moaning about an encounter being a reflection of a whole society. This would be the epitome of irony no?
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Re: Thinking outside the box.

I would like to address the chair:

Dear Chairperson, on a point of order, I move to label this argument, all generalisations flowing from it, and all the resulting pointless personal animosity as officially lame.

Seconders?
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I would like to address the chair:

Dear Chairperson, on a point of order, I move to label this argument, all generalisations flowing from it, and all the resulting pointless personal animosity as officially lame.

Seconders?
People concentraing on emotion instead of the essentials.
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I would like to address the chair:

Dear Chairperson, on a point of order, I move to label this argument, all generalisations flowing from it, and all the resulting pointless personal animosity as officially lame.

Seconders?

not to mention Roberts Rules.
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not to mention Roberts Rules.
naaaa not enough, I'd suggest a Kaizen event to troubleshoot this one
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Something that continues to baffle and frustrate me since i've move to Switzerland is the general lack of ability to improvise or think outside the box in situations.

I seriously have a problem with this. It seems as if there is a set system for everything, but if ever the occasion comes up when one has to deal with anything out of the ordinary, it seems as if people here have NO IDEA what to do, and therefore, flat out give you a NO answer.

Even something so simple like today in a shop (Zara) and i wanted to try on some clothes. They only allowed 6 items to be taken into the change room at a time (like most places do). I however had 8 items, so i asked the staff in the shop if they could just put the 2 extra items aside on a rack or outside my change cabin. You should have seen the look on the staff's faces. There were 4 of them standing there looking at each other, not knowing WHAT TO DO. They're faces read something like "This isn't in the rules, and we have no rule for this, so we can't possibly do this." It was as if something had come up that wasn't in the computer program, so they all had a system malfunction. After a 5 minute discussion (of what seemed like a staff meeting) and holding up the line waiting, they came to the conclusion that they would have to put the 2 extra items back and i would have to go back out once i'd finished trying on the 6 items, and get the other two i wanted to try on, back of the racks were they belonged, and rejoin the changing room line.

I almost pulled all my hair out with frustration.

Same thing seems to happen a lot when driving. If the car in front of another car stops slightly to the side of the road, instead of simply going around it if there is room... all the cars just stop, causing mass traffic... all because one idiot can't take the decision to just drive around the stopped car.

I just don't get it... It's driving me NUTS.
Yes it's horrible, and the thing is, you can not change anything, adapt or die ,

took me several years to just realize to "go with the flow" and my blood pressure is nowadays stable...

in the end it's quite simple, - "just...follow...the...rules", no more no less, forget all about common sense and logic...
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