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Old 24.11.2011, 00:37
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Just to complicate the boxing a bit more, the staff at Zara is mostly not typical swiss.
please enlighten me as to what is a typical swiss.
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Old 24.11.2011, 01:12
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please enlighten me as to what is a typical swiss.
http://isitstillraining-printy.blogs...mmer-2011.html
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Old 24.11.2011, 04:44
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You should have seen the look on the staff's faces. There were 4 of them standing there looking at each other, not knowing WHAT TO DO. They're faces read something like "This isn't in the rules, and we have no rule for this, so we can't possibly do this." It was as if something had come up that wasn't in the computer program, so they all had a system malfunction.
Haha. This reminds me of the movie - The Invention of Lying!
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Re: Thinking outside the box.

What I´ve learned is that some things are worth my getting worked up about and some aren´t. What I consider worthy has changed greatly when I first moved here. Now I dont cross the street unless the little green guy is on for example. I´m not "back home" and as much as it might annoy me or frustrate me at times, I have had to (like any immigrant) learn to adapt to certain things in the culture.

I think it´s really important to have friends you can express your frustrations with though or one will go crazy.
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Old 24.11.2011, 10:10
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So. Anyway. Zara.

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Re: Thinking outside the box.

Well if you're not aware that each country has a different culutre than you shouldn't have left yours! We're perfectly fine with how things work here!
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Old 07.12.2011, 16:36
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We're perfectly fine with how things work here!
Who is we?
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Well if you're not aware that each country has a different culutre than you shouldn't have left yours! We're perfectly fine with how things work here!
Exactly right! People IN THE BOX are perfectly happy with the way things work.. they dont know any different!

I love this thread and love the OPs story.. I have noticed this over and over and it drives me crazy!

My example: I accidentally bumped into a small table at work and broke a coworkers small ceramic candleholder.. I felt bad, so I glued it back together, put it back on the table, cracked side against the wall just as it was, and the crack wasnt noticeable at all.. several days passed as I forgot to mention it, and my coworker never noticed it, until the next time the cleaning lady came, she apparently showed the coworker and the jig was up.. busted! So I explained what had happened, apologized, offered to buy another.. "nai nai, ishguat!" By the end of the day, it was in the garbage.. Accidents happen, but you would think that I smashed it on the floor on purpose..
If its not perfect, its not swiss.. while i commend this standard.. its a bit of a pain..
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Old 14.12.2011, 23:19
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Exactly right! People IN THE BOX are perfectly happy with the way things work.. they dont know any different!

I love this thread and love the OPs story.. I have noticed this over and over and it drives me crazy!

My example: I accidentally bumped into a small table at work and broke a coworkers small ceramic candleholder.. I felt bad, so I glued it back together, put it back on the table, cracked side against the wall just as it was, and the crack wasnt noticeable at all.. several days passed as I forgot to mention it, and my coworker never noticed it, until the next time the cleaning lady came, she apparently showed the coworker and the jig was up.. busted! So I explained what had happened, apologized, offered to buy another.. "nai nai, ishguat!" By the end of the day, it was in the garbage.. Accidents happen, but you would think that I smashed it on the floor on purpose..
If its not perfect, its not swiss.. while i commend this standard.. its a bit of a pain..
Look at it from the co-workers perspective (i) you turned the cracked side out of sight and (ii) you only admitted after someone else found it was broken. Conclusion you tried to hide the fact you broke it, no wonder they got upset I would too
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Look at it from the co-workers perspective (i) you turned the cracked side out of sight and (ii) you only admitted after someone else found it was broken. Conclusion you tried to hide the fact you broke it, no wonder they got upset I would too
I agree, although I wasnt trying to hide it.. just didnt mention it as i dont work everyday.. I hid it because I would rather say something about it while im there than have them see it without an explanation.. But i see your point.
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Re: Thinking outside the box.

there is a big difference between "thinking outside the box" and "ignoring the rules". if a dude in front of me in traffic blows through a red light, is that "thinking outside the box"?

rules may be a PITA from time to time, but the culture of respect for rules is one of the reasons why the lake is clean, the city is safe and my kids can walk to the sportenlagen without fearing for their lives from passing cars. seems a fair trade to me.
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Re: Thinking outside the box.

I think ultimately most other people of western nations enjoy a much greater level of flexibility on how to manage their lives. IE, I want to get my grocery shopping after 16:00 on a Saturday and do my laundry whenever I please. It is very frustrating coming from that and then being told when and how to do these things.

Evidently, it works for the Swiss. If you flip it on it's head; if I were at home and someone was moaning about my country I'd remind them they can leave at any time. Same applies, we either suck it up or leave.
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Old 18.12.2011, 13:52
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we either suck it up or leave.
Many of us are here to work, and are employed by Swiss companies here. And pay taxes here. As far as I'm concerned, once I pay taxes to a place I've got a right to complain about it and, when not feeling too lazy, try and change things.
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I think ultimately most other people of western nations enjoy a much greater level of flexibility on how to manage their lives. IE, I want to get my grocery shopping after 16:00 on a Saturday and do my laundry whenever I please. It is very frustrating coming from that and then being told when and how to do these things.

Evidently, it works for the Swiss. If you flip it on it's head; if I were at home and someone was moaning about my country I'd remind them they can leave at any time. Same applies, we either suck it up or leave.
Thing is though - many of you live in towns and most of the practical nuisances you are coming up against are not something I've ever experienced as a Swiss. Most Swiss actually do not live in large towns- I've never lived anywhere where we had to share a washing machine, and although I live in a small village, I went shopping at 11 this morning (and got some excellent brown sugar). The kind of life many of you describe would drive me bonkers too, Swiss or British.

Of course complaining is fine, as long as it is not constant whingeing - complaining is normal and healthy - but only up to a point. If EVERYTHING around you is wrong and makes you unhappy - FOR YOUR SAKE, rethink and find another niche that will suit you best.
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Old 18.12.2011, 21:11
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Old 20.12.2011, 00:08
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Well if you're not aware that each country has a different culutre than you shouldn't have left yours! We're perfectly fine with how things work here!
aren't swiss people also upset about the horrible customer service here in Switzerland? I thought friendly customer service was a global thing...should be at least, after all the customers are paying their salaries, and a happy customer will always come back...don't take it as a criticism, take it as constructive feedback
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"nai nai, ishguat!" By the end of the day, it was in the garbage..

and it ISN´T GOOD!!!! thats what bugs me! ok, heres mine: ch-dude, bit of a grumpy old pups puts now and then a big box of BRANCHE chocolate bars up. worth 40chf, i guess. just to help yourself with, everybody in the office does. one time i took the last one and i put down a fiver for it. i also attached a note saying: sorry, finished off the last one, heres my contribution. "nai, nai...ish guet!"

blabla... since then he has never put one up again! he doesnt go with me/group im in to have lunch, blanks me n stuff...what a trottel!

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Old 26.12.2011, 14:25
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blabla... since then he has never put one up again! he doesnt go with me/group im in to have lunch, blanks me n stuff...what a trottel!
Oh come on, you should know this one.. paying a miserable 5 franks for eating his chocolates is both lazy and stingy. If you appreciate what he does get a box on your own some day. I'd be a bit cross too if a young chap thinks he's being generous by "donating" a fiver. Getting something for others isn't about the money, he doesn't want to get paid for it, it just devalues what he does, so either thank him for it or reciprocate by getting something yourself.
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Old 27.12.2011, 08:47
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Re: Thinking outside the box.

I disagree with one point in this discussion... and it's one of my biggest beefs about what I saw of the Swiss in my short time there...

...and that is that the Swiss are generally very patient.

..the driving on the roads isn't patient driving! People are psycho there!! It makes a huge difference to so many drivers when they get home for some reason! It doesn't make sense to me! Why do they need to get home at 5:45? What's so bad about sitting through a traffic jam, and getting home at quarter after six?!

Patience! It's really lacking! Vast generalization I know, and perhaps I'm wrong on the whole... Forsure it is not just the Swiss --- I've seen the same nonsense in all my trips to the big cities --- Toronto, Boston, New York....

Maybe it's just a generalization of today's society? The pace of life is just relentless in some of these places...

I wish everyone could experience living in vast open wilderness spaces!! Canada is so empty! (For sure there are tons of other similar countries...) You drive for hours and hours to get from town to town and not just 15 minutes from Rotkreuz to Goldau....

I really wish everyone could have had the opportunity to grow up with such a laid back pace to life... You are the only driver for miles most frequently, so it helps you out in the ol' Patience department.

... end of rant..

.. the other thing I sort of have an issue with is how sure of themselves the Swiss are sometimes... stems from a lack of humility? Is there a thread for that?
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Old 27.12.2011, 10:50
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Oh come on, you should know this one.. paying a miserable 5 franks for eating his chocolates is both lazy and stingy. If you appreciate what he does get a box on your own some day. I'd be a bit cross too if a young chap thinks he's being generous by "donating" a fiver. Getting something for others isn't about the money, he doesn't want to get paid for it, it just devalues what he does, so either thank him for it or reciprocate by getting something yourself.

erm... why is only me then who should get in a new one when nobody else that finished off the last one ever did? in short: he didnt mind others but me. normally thats what i would do, taking the last one, getting in a new one. on the other hand: why all this childish fuss? what about getting this thing staright by telling me? my point is that he says its ok but thinks different. sux.
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