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Reducing the Health care subsidy to individuals

People who earn less than a certain amount get some help with the health care insurance payments. The PEOPLE of Zürich voted to reduce these subsidies-just wondering which people voted yes to reduce the benefits-certainly not the ones that are earning the least.( which are mostly foreigners who anhow have no Swiss voting rights )
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just wondering which people voted yes to reduce the benefits-certainly not the ones that are earning the least.( which are mostly foreigners who anhow have no Swiss voting rights )
OK, I'll bite.

You've answered your own question, haven't you? Those who earn the money to pay taxes which in turn pay for the reductions, and who do have the vote.
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Re: Reducing the Health care subsidy to individuals

Well yes - but ...

and perhaps we go back to the argument about a minimum wage.

If working people cannot afford basic health care, then why should the tax payer pick up the tab instead of the employer (through a decent wage)!
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OK, I'll bite.

You've answered your own question, haven't you? Those who earn the money to pay taxes which in turn pay for the reductions, and who do have the vote.
What do you think-that the others don't pay tax!!!
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Re: Reducing the Health care subsidy to individuals

Well more wages means higher prices: It's just a spiral.Not that I am against minimum wage.
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and perhaps we go back to the argument about a minimum wage.

If working people cannot afford basic health care, then why should the tax payer pick up the tab instead of the employer (through a decent wage)!
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Old 23.11.2011, 22:59
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What do you think-that the others don't pay tax!!!
Those who qualify for subsidized healthcare in Switzerland have a very low income and pay very little, if any, direct taxes.
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Re: Reducing the Health care subsidy to individuals

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and perhaps we go back to the argument about a minimum wage.

If working people cannot afford basic health care, then why should the tax payer pick up the tab instead of the employer (through a decent wage)!
Probably because its not the employer that picks up the tab but either the customers (through higher product prices) or employees (through reduced wages or loss of work). An employer NEVER picks up the tab, except a small to small/medium sized business who have a lot less choice.
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Those who qualify for subsidized healthcare in Switzerland have a very low income and pay very little, if any, direct taxes.
Maybe you don't speak from experience-I do as I get a subsidy and I pay tax!!
One months wages go in tax every year.
Get your facts right next time!!
http://www.svazurich.ch/pdf/IPV2012.pdf

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Re: Reducing the Health care subsidy to individuals

I guess the real losers are the pensioners.
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I guess the real losers are the pensioners.
No thats basically not true. The younger people are basically keeping the health sytem going and have to deep deepest into their pockets.
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One months wages go in tax every year.
I said they pay "very little, if any" tax. One month's salary (i.e. 8,33% if you get paid 12 monthly salaries, or 7,69% if you get 13) is "very little tax" in most people's books.
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Maybe you don't speak from experience-I do as I get a subsidy and I pay tax!!
One months wages go in tax every year.
Get your facts right next time!!
http://www.svazurich.ch/pdf/IPV2012.pdf
Why do you earn so little? Are you poorly qualified, work only part-time.

Normally I would not ask this, but as you expect people who work hard and long hours to subsidise your income, it's important to the subject...
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Re: Reducing the Health care subsidy to individuals

I work in the nursing profession and if you call 5400CHF a month a little then maybe you are right it's too little. So I'm not poorly qualified and I work 80% -and hard.
And I don't expect people like you to work long hours! Get a life and learn a little about Switzerland!!!

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Normally I would not ask this, but as you expect people who work hard and long hours to subsidise your income, it's important to the subject...
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I work in the nursing profession and if you call 5400CHF a month a little then maybe you are right it's too little. So I'm not poorly qualified and I work 80% -and hard.
And I don't expect people like you to work long hours! Get a life and learn a little about Switzerland!!!
Do you seriously think that earning CHF 5'400 for 80% should qualify you for subsidized healthcare?
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I work in the nursing profession and if you call 5400CHF a month a little then maybe you are right it's too little. So I'm not poorly qualified and I work 80% -and hard.
Your salary is actually above average for 80%.
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You obviously expect someone to subsidise your health care. It won't be me either.

However, I see why you have red blobs. You come here bleating and then tell me to learn a little about this country. I hope your bedside manner is better than your manner here...
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Re: Reducing the Health care subsidy to individuals

In the nursing profession its a VERY average wage.

I don't expect anybody to subsidize health care. It's subsidized and I'm entitled to get a subsidy according to subsidy rules.


My bedside manner. Exactly which bedside manner are you talking about?

Is that some sort of disguised suggestion?


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Your salary is actually above average for 80%.
You obviously expect someone to subsidise your health care. It won't be me either.

However, I see why you have red blobs. You come here bleating and then tell me to learn a little about this country. I hope your bedside manner is better than your manner here...
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In the nursing profession its a VERY average wage.

I don't expect anybody to subsidize health care. It's subsidized and I'm entitled to get a subsidy according to subsidy rules.
When you've finished stamping your feet, where exactly do you expect the subsidy comes from? Thin air? Or tax other tax payers?
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My bedside manner. Exactly which bedside manner are you talking about?

Is that some sort of disguised suggestion?

To continue the medical analogy this is like pulling teeth...
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Re: Reducing the Health care subsidy to individuals

It's interesting, I pay 18% tax (total at the source) and earn around chf1200 a month (so take home of around 1,000chf a month). I'm studying but since I'm not at a Swiss University I'm officially here as a worker.

I have often wondered if I pay too much tax but when I did some research a while back I got the impression that I was paying a normal amount (for a foreigner, maybe that's my problem ).

I would never consider 5400 a little, even at 100%. My swiss girlfriend after she finishes her studies can expect to earn less than that at 100%. I'm totally amazed by this. I realise fully that 5400 a month will never make you rich but even in Zurich that must be enough to live on fairly comfortably or are prices THAT different between Fribourg and Zurich.

Even with my minuscule wage I wouldn't expect others to pick up my health tab.

Edit: I'm not saying that 5,400 is above average or anything for a nurse. I have a friend who is in nursing school and the stories I hear make me realise that nurses earn every penny of their salaries.
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It's interesting, I pay 18% tax (total at the source) and earn around chf1200 a month (so take home of around 1,000chf a month). I'm studying but since I'm not at a Swiss University I'm officially here as a worker.

I have often wondered if I pay too much tax but when I did some research a while back I got the impression that I was paying a normal amount (for a foreigner, maybe that's my problem ).

I would never consider 5400 a little, even at 100%. My swiss girlfriend after she finishes her studies can expect to earn less than that at 100%. I'm totally amazed by this. I realise fully that 5400 a month will never make you rich but even in Zurich that must be enough to live on fairly comfortably or are prices THAT different between Fribourg and Zurich.

Even with my minuscule wage I wouldn't expect others to pick up my health tab.

Edit: I'm not saying that 5,400 is above average or anything for a nurse. I have a friend who is in nursing school and the stories I hear make me realise that nurses earn every penny of their salaries.
Well I also have a wife and child. So it's not just for me.
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When you've finished stamping your feet, where exactly do you expect the subsidy comes from? Thin air? Or tax other tax payers?

To continue the medical analogy this is like pulling teeth...
Firstly, as I said, I pay tax also. So I also contribute to the subsidy.

And second-If they had en ethical and affordable health care system in Switzerland then a subsidy would not be necessary.
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