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You mean right,right I guess you never have been to Canada
OMG my pet peeve. Terrible in Toronto. I hear Ottawa they are well-behaved drivers, drive under the speed limit and left lane is clear.
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Old 29.11.2011, 18:08
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Our roads are comparatively small and there's always lots of traffic going on. Drivers will always be pissed at each other when driving in heavy traffic. This has nothing to do with Switzerland.

And remember: It's 50% foreigners on Switzerland's roads, Swiss plates or not.
Good point, except that I think Jeremy Clarkson put it pretty well. Note this ain't a direct quote, but he said something to this effect. Swiss roads were made for everyone BUT the car drivers...
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Old 29.11.2011, 18:17
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Good point, except that I think Jeremy Clarkson put it pretty well. Note this ain't a direct quote, but he said something to this effect. Swiss roads were made for everyone BUT the car drivers...
He changed his tune once he found Switzerlands "fun" roads.
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Re: The Swiss cannot / should not Drive

I'm afraid I think the complete opposite! Whenever I go back to the UK, it amazes me how it doesn't matter how many lanes a motorway has, everyone is at the same speed.
Here I find, people go at a normal speed, but if you want to get ahead, there's always space in the fast lane and I generally find people quite courteous! Maybe we're hanging around different motorways
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One thing that gets me when my gf is driving on one of the highways/motorways;

She goes speed limit, maximum. She overtakes in the fast lane and then goes back into the slower lane when she can (only has an Agila, it's no rocket!).

Two things;

1) Almost everyone else on the motorway seems to pay absolutely no regard to the speed limit. Even in areas where there are speed traps.

2) As soon as she pulls out to overtake, someone is guaranteed (once a week or so) to also pull out behind and start flashing and honking horns - despite the fact that they've been in the slow lane behind us for the last 5 kms and could have overtaken easily at any time.

And another thing - why can people not turn their indicators off here? If they change lanes on the highway, a lot of people just seem to leave them on, even when merging back into the other lane!

So if anyone can shed any light on any of those, it would be appreciated. My gf is Swiss and even she doesn't get it!

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Driving Swiss roads are certainly different from driving on American roads, I feel like you have to concentrate far more here because of all the bikes, motorcycles, and tight spaces. On American roads it is soo easy to just "zone out"... but that's not so good either.
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He changed his tune once he found Switzerlands "fun" roads.
Still needs to drive through the rest to get there. Prefer the Transfagerasan in Romania. Feel more relaxed driving in Romania than here. Come to think of it, I feel more relaxed driving back in SA than I do here, even with the armed car hi-jacking, robberies etc.

Weird...
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Re: The Swiss cannot / should not Drive

Try to drive in India or Egypt and after that you will love how the swiss drive
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I feel like you have to concentrate far more here because of all the bikes, motorcycles, and tight spaces
It's called PAYING ATTENTION!

Anyway, what tight spaces?

Pretty open here compared to places such as Corsica.

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And another thing - why can people not turn their indicators off here? If they change lanes on the highway, a lot of people just seem to leave them on, even when merging back into the other lane!

So if anyone can shed any light on any of those, it would be appreciated. My gf is Swiss and even she doesn't get it!
Well, since most people seem to forget to turn on their indicators most of the time, I guess the rare occasion where they do use them needs to be enjoyed to the full. In other words - they are idiots that should have their license revoked.

My sister and I were talking about this at the weekend, she learned to drive about four years ago, I'm learning now and we both got severe indicator drilling, as in ALWAYS indicate and turn the indicator off IMMEDIATELY when your manoeuvre is over. Or else, you get shouted at. Do NOT tail gate, do NOT overtake unnecessarily and ALWAYS stick to the right lane, especially if you are not sure where you are going. Indicate soon enough when on a roundabout (but don't indicate in), be courteous to other drivers and let them pass if you can (my sister has totally forgotten that bit, she's a bit road-ragey).

I reckon everyone should be sent for a "Kontrollfahrt" every ten years (every five after 60) and it should be possible to ask those who do badly to retake the driving test or have their licenses revoked.
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Old 29.11.2011, 22:42
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Re: The Swiss cannot / should not Drive

"Almost everyone else on the motorway seems to pay absolutely no regard to the speed limit."

What exactly do you mean by this? What's the speed on your speedo? I normally drive 130 on my speedo, which is 120 on the gps and overtake most cars which...i guess...drive 120 on the speedo (meaning probably 110 real speed).

True there are some people which drive a bit faster (some of my friends do 140 on the speedo, as they figure it's 130 real speed, some deduction is taken off in case the radar gets them so "it's worth it"), but I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of cars I've seen here doing, say, 160+
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Old 29.11.2011, 22:52
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One thing that gets me when my gf is driving on one of the highways/motorways;

She goes speed limit, maximum. She overtakes in the fast lane and then goes back into the slower lane when she can (only has an Agila, it's no rocket!).

Two things;

1) Almost everyone else on the motorway seems to pay absolutely no regard to the speed limit. Even in areas where there are speed traps.

2) As soon as she pulls out to overtake, someone is guaranteed (once a week or so) to also pull out behind and start flashing and honking horns - despite the fact that they've been in the slow lane behind us for the last 5 kms and could have overtaken easily at any time.

And another thing - why can people not turn their indicators off here? If they change lanes on the highway, a lot of people just seem to leave them on, even when merging back into the other lane!

So if anyone can shed any light on any of those, it would be appreciated. My gf is Swiss and even she doesn't get it!
1) Speed lane is speed lane, if you go at exactly (or slightly below) speed limit the middle lane is your lane.

2) If you go well below the speed limit (trucks) you stay at the right lane. It is illegal for trucks to overtake other trucks on some highways because they slow down everyone else, the same probably goes for your girlfriend who overtakes on the speed lane without actually being faster than cars in the middle lane, therefore she should speed up a bit only to slow down to her comfortable/normal speed once she is back on the middle lane.

3) Keeping the indicator on means you'll go back to the middle lane as soon as you've overtaken the vehicle in front of you, if you turn it off it means you intend to stay on the speed lane.

Hope that clarifies it and helps you and your girlfriend to become better drivers.
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3) Keeping the indicator on means you'll go back to the middle lane as soon as you've overtaken the vehicle in front of you, if you turn it off it means you intend to stay on the speed lane.
I think he means keeping it on flashing to the left rather than back to the right where you intend to go. Something I did a few times when I first went on the motorway, now I'm truly cured.
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Old 29.11.2011, 22:56
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It's called PAYING ATTENTION!

Anyway, what tight spaces?

Pretty open here compared to places such as Corsica.

Tom
I've driven in Corsica and, when I think that driving in Mahattan is relaxing after driving around here...

I have a lot of the same pet peeves (not in DE as when I bomb down the autobahn at 170 and pull aside for someone to pass, they don't immediately pull over in front of me and slow down) as the OP. Folks around Zurich seem to drive very aggressively yet...want to be a bit demure about it. If I had a franc for every audi driver who appeared on my 130kmph arse who then, after I moved over, pulled over directly in front of me, I'd be a rich woman.

I'm a Boston driver and I hate Masshole drivers but...Zurich drivers make me think fondly of them...particularly on roundabouts...
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Driving Swiss roads are certainly different from driving on American roads, I feel like you have to concentrate far more here because of all the bikes, motorcycles, and tight spaces. On American roads it is soo easy to just "zone out"... but that's not so good either.
Kindly concentrate on the road and don't zone out. I'm a biker and thank you for that.
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I think he means keeping it on flashing to the left rather than back to the right where you intend to go. Something I did a few times when I first went on the motorway, now I'm truly cured.
That's exactly what I mean, it's like overtaking on a regular road but on a highway, it may not be correct according to the rules book but most experienced drivers get it. It signals "just overtaking quickly, be right back on the other lane"
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That's exactly what I mean, it's like overtaking on a regular road but on a highway, it may not be correct according to the rules book but most experienced drivers get it. It signals "just overtaking quickly, be right back on the other lane"
Yeeeah, I tried to explain it in a similar way to the instructor, he was not pleased. To be fair, if everyone just stuck to the actual rules that we can all look up rather than making up their own for experienced drivers only, things would run better
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Driving Swiss roads are certainly different from driving on American roads, I feel like you have to concentrate far more here because of all the bikes, motorcycles, and tight spaces. On American roads it is soo easy to just "zone out"... but that's not so good either.
i remember (vaguely) driving hours on an american interstate in complete darkness without turning the steering wheel even once, no cars around, no lights, just a perfectly straight highway...kind of gives you a tunnel view and ultimately mild hallucinations
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Only did about 100 miles on Route 66 and I thought I'd go mad - just had to turn off and head for Colorado!
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1) Speed lane is speed lane, if you go at exactly (or slightly below) speed limit the middle lane is your lane.

2) If you go well below the speed limit (trucks) you stay at the right lane. It is illegal for trucks to overtake other trucks on some highways because they slow down everyone else, the same probably goes for your girlfriend who overtakes on the speed lane without actually being faster than cars in the middle lane, therefore she should speed up a bit only to slow down to her comfortable/normal speed once she is back on the middle lane.

3) Keeping the indicator on means you'll go back to the middle lane as soon as you've overtaken the vehicle in front of you, if you turn it off it means you intend to stay on the speed lane.

Hope that clarifies it and helps you and your girlfriend to become better drivers.
Well, the gf does about 5km over the speed limit according the Speedo - but others are definitely going way to fast - 120 in a 100 and so on. It's not all the time, but it happens very frequently.

Regarding the indicator thing - that's just rubbish in my eyes. If you're moving into a lane and your indicator is flashing in the opposite direction, that's just dangerous and more than a little stupid.

Not only that but you somehow managed to completely misunderstand the bit about the gf overtaking - she doesn't overtake without being faster than whatever is in the other lane (how does that even work??), but neither will she accelerate to 150kph. As a rule if she has to break the speed limit by more than 10kph she won't overtake. What happens quite often is that someone who has been following us in the slow lane for a while (and has had plenty of chance to overtake before hand) will follow us out and accelerate so that they are about a metre behind us, and then be infuriated that we didn't similarly accelerate (if anyone has had an Agila, it can not accelerate in the same way that a BMW or even a sporty Citroen can!)
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