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Old 13.11.2012, 21:38
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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

I recently went through the rounds for an executive assistant position in Bern.

I was straight out asked if I was going to have children in the next 2-3 years, because that wouldn't work for her. I mean... obviously I said no. Right?
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Old 14.11.2012, 09:44
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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

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Well, if we had a chance to not take leave, it would be an issue, but you're forced out the door by law here...
That's a relatively new law, so perhaps this was before then?

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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

They ask this question a good deal...it would not be allowed in the US but here they do. If you're pregnant, at least for Pharma jobs, it is unlikely you'll get the job. It is a patriarchal society and childcare options for women are not great but we are allowed to have a career...
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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

Depressing...
Being Swedish, I'm used to better equality than in Switzerland, Europe in general and most parts of the world. Of course, also in Sweden equality between men and women should be much better than it is, but still it's SO, SO much better than here. It's just sad, and such question on a job interview is directly discriminating, nothing else. These things shouldn't be taken lightly. it's illegal.

I was asked the same question on a job interview. I said it wasn't a relevant question for a job interview. I still got the job. But yes, I know it's hard....
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Old 02.10.2013, 17:46
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D...It's just sad, and such question on a job interview is directly discriminating, nothing else. These things shouldn't be taken lightly. it's illegal...
I agree with you on the directly discriminating part, but which law are they breaking by asking the question, and what's the penalty for breaking that law? Must not be very big if it's still a widespread occurence here. Even if they do decide not to hire you because you're of childbearing age they can always come up with some lame reason as to why they hired someone else.
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Old 02.10.2013, 20:18
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I agree with you on the directly discriminating part, but which law are they breaking by asking the question, and what's the penalty for breaking that law? Must not be very big if it's still a widespread occurence here. Even if they do decide not to hire you because you're of childbearing age they can always come up with some lame reason as to why they hired someone else.
In most cases it is not allowed to ask the question. If it is asked anyway you are allowed to lie [German].

So instead of "don't ask don't tell", it is "ask and lie"
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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

Yea, employer ask such questions. And they are not allowed to do so. Sweden and other countries has a looot better systems regarding this issue.

If they ask, you are entitled to lie. you are entitled to lie that you will not have children and if you are already pregnant, you are entitled to lie the pregnancy (of course, losing the job after having the baby is likley). Only if an actual pregnancy has a direct consequence to your job (e.g. as a ballet dancer), you have to be honest if you are pregnant.

As you have no legal claim to get a job, they are not allowed to ask this questions, but if they do so, you can do more or less nothing than lying. if they give you the job, and they quit it when they notice the pregnancy you will keep the job for a so called "Sperrfrist" 8a period of some weeks durting the whole pregnancy and the babyholidays). If they quite the job with immediate effect (fristlose Kündigung) but they had no legal reason, you can claim for the salary regarding the notice period and for further 6 month.

Therefore, the consequences for employer are lower to ask questions which are not allowed (and a lot of people are not aware that they are legally entitled to lie) than to have a pregnant woman....

Therefore, i can only advice to go to a company with a "woman-friendly" philosophie and if they have not, you just can answer the questions in a sense you think it's good for you....
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Old 26.10.2013, 15:42
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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

That's the only question I always lied to on an interview. I said I can't have any children, medically. Would a pregnancy happen, I already know what I will say if they come back to me about it (big round eyes): OOPS!
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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

Look at this job ad:

Junior Financial / Accounting Analys (male or female)

Except for being extremely badly written (like referring to male or female pets), who thought to add this in the title?
Does this mean that when it is not mentioned, then only men or only women are considered?
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Old 18.11.2013, 08:29
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Look at this job ad:

Junior Financial / Accounting Analys (male or female)

Except for being extremely badly written (like referring to male or female pets), who thought to add this in the title?
Does this mean that when it is not mentioned, then only men or only women are considered?
I see you are from Lausanne, perhaps you are accustomed to only seeing job listings in English or French - but in German, the job title tends to be written to indicate that it's available for male / female, like this:

Standortleiter/-in Region Basel


The absence of "/ -in" would indicate a job ONLY open to males for this position... so I think what you're looking at is a fairly literal translation which implies a tiny bit of clumsiness to me, rather than comparing humans to dogs.

To answer your last question though, YES, without that, it would indicate the job was only open to males or to females. In my example, if it were only open to females, it would be written as "Standortleiterin".
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Old 18.11.2013, 14:24
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I see you are from Lausanne, perhaps you are accustomed to only seeing job listings in English or French - but in German, the job title tends to be written to indicate that it's available for male / female, like this:

Standortleiter/-in Region Basel


The absence of "/ -in" would indicate a job ONLY open to males for this position... so I think what you're looking at is a fairly literal translation which implies a tiny bit of clumsiness to me, rather than comparing humans to dogs.

To answer your last question though, YES, without that, it would indicate the job was only open to males or to females. In my example, if it were only open to females, it would be written as "Standortleiterin".
So I guess the person who translated the title somehow assumes that the word analyst can only refer to a man (not a sarcastic question)?
Kind of the same happens to me all the time. People tell me in English "there was somebody" and I picture a guy, because in Greek there's a different word for somebody if it's a woman.

But I'm careful, especially in my professional communication, not to let this lead to embarassing messages.

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Old 20.11.2013, 03:46
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So I guess the person who translated the title somehow assumes that the word analyst can only refer to a man (not a sarcastic question)?
Kind of the same happens to me all the time. People tell me in English "there was somebody" and I picture a guy, because in Greek there's a different word for somebody if it's a woman.

But I'm careful, especially in my professional communication, not to let this lead to embarassing messages.

Sorry, I've neither sought jobs here enough nor been in position to write offers for employment to know, but my "off the top of my head" thought is that perhaps there is some regulation here which requires the advertisements for positions to be clear that a position is available to either, or, or both rather than leaving it to assumptions.

Without knowing whether such a regulation is in place, I would assume it is merely direct literal translation - I'm sure we probably have some knowledgeable folks around here who would know though, whether they weigh in or not is another matter.
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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

No it isnt. They can ask your age (which they expect to appear on your CV anyway). if you are single/married. And if you are want children.
In Germany this is totally illegal.

makes finding a job in Switzerland harder, after a certain age, unfortunately
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No it isnt. They can ask your age (which they expect to appear on your CV anyway). if you are single/married. And if you are want children.
In Germany this is totally illegal.

makes finding a job in Switzerland harder, after a certain age, unfortunately
In Switzerland it is NOT legal to ask somebody in a job interview if they plan to have children!

If somebody tries, you are allowed to lie. I would anyway reconsider working for that company.

Maybe, if the job involves something like lifting heavy items on a regular basis, they can ask if you are pregnant. But only if it's directly relevant to being able to do the job.
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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

Resurrecting this thread. Though I don't think it's right to ask whether someone is planning to have children, I can see why some recruiters might do so.

My workplace allows maternity and paternity leave, but also has quite generous parental leave entitlements. The result is quite a stark difference between parents and non-parents in terms of their leave entitlements, with some parents regularly being absent for twice as long as non-parents during the year. Some parents take the entire summer off every year. The arrangements are such that someone could do this for 16 years running if they have three children two years apart in age.

Posting this having not been able to take annual leave this year and possibly having to forfeit it due to leave restrictions because of high absence rates.
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Resurrecting this thread. Though I don't think it's right to ask whether someone is planning to have children, I can see why some recruiters might do so.

My workplace allows maternity and paternity leave, but also has quite generous parental leave entitlements. The result is quite a stark difference between parents and non-parents in terms of their leave entitlements, with some parents regularly being absent for twice as long as non-parents during the year. Some parents take the entire summer off every year. The arrangements are such that someone could do this for 16 years running if they have three children two years apart in age.

Posting this having not been able to take annual leave this year and possibly having to forfeit it due to leave restrictions because of high absence rates.
This is fairly specific though, normally there is the initial parental leave and then its normal holidays.

People just need to accept this. If your going to object to time off to raise children you should also object to the part of your tax that is spent on School infrastructure, on zebra crossings, on youth clubs, the list is endless. So to say its unfair for people with kids on the holiday front is only part of the picture, there is far more unfairness than that.

People who dont drive - why do they have to help pay for people who do in terms of roads ?

you could go on forever.
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This is fairly specific though, normally there is the initial parental leave and then its normal holidays.

People just need to accept this. If your going to object to time off to raise children you should also object to the part of your tax that is spent on School infrastructure, on zebra crossings, on youth clubs, the list is endless. So to say its unfair for people with kids on the holiday front is only part of the picture, there is far more unfairness than that.

People who dont drive - why do they have to help pay for people who do in terms of roads ?

you could go on forever.
That's fair enough but he shouldn't be prevented from taking the annual leave that he is legally entitled to just because the people with kids have been off all summer should he?
There's something very wrong with the company's holiday allocation system if this is allowed to happen.
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Posting this having not been able to take annual leave this year and possibly having to forfeit it due to leave restrictions because of high absence rates.
That is why laws exist, to guarantee workers rights (like annual leave, work hours, protection against excessive overtime, safety, etc).

If you cant take annual leave due to other colleagues being absent,something is very very wrong with your company. This is illegal, by the way.
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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

I recently interviewed for two jobs and one company asked me if I was planning on having children soon. I gave her a look and then she quickly asked - or taking a long holiday or starting studying.

I turned down their offer and when asked why, I told them it was because they asked that question.

It is taboo - it shouldn't be asked...
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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

We are all grown ups and the question should be allowed and people should give an honest answer. The problem is if you are not allowed to ask, or if you know people will lie when answering, then you have to assume that a woman may well have children soon and need a lot of time off. When we reach this sorry and sad stage then only men will be interviewed and women will lose out.

Women have children and we as a society have to acknowledge this and work with it, not against it. Not asking the question doesn't solve anything.
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