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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

I also agree it is an inappropriate question to ask. But coming from Canada and hanging around with mostly soon to graduate/new graduate nursing females at the peak of their re productivity. They all always openly discussed landing that full time position and getting over the probation periods so they could have kids and milk the free income. As soon as this ran out, it was serious strategic timing of using vacation/sick/personal days until the next baby was ready. Absolutely made me sick! Such blatant liberal bullshxt. One of the main reasons I was happy to jump continent and move somewhere a bit 'backwards' but logically sound ignoring much political correctness.
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Old 31.01.2012, 19:46
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Absolutely made me sick! Such blatant liberal bullshxt. One of the main reasons I was happy to jump continent and move somewhere a bit 'backwards' but logically sound ignoring much political correctness.
I really wish the word "liberal" could be left to mean what it originally meant (and still largely does mean on this side of the Atlantic).
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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

Talking about the 'go forth and change the world' reminds me of a great poster I used to have in the kitchen when kids were little.
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Old 31.01.2012, 19:59
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I also agree it is an inappropriate question to ask. But coming from Canada and hanging around with mostly soon to graduate/new graduate nursing females at the peak of their re productivity. They all always openly discussed landing that full time position and getting over the probation periods so they could have kids and milk the free income. As soon as this ran out, it was serious strategic timing of using vacation/sick/personal days until the next baby was ready. Absolutely made me sick! Such blatant liberal bullshxt. One of the main reasons I was happy to jump continent and move somewhere a bit 'backwards' but logically sound ignoring much political correctness.
Very radical of you jumping ship from one country with strong social protections to another. Yes, quite! I hear there's even LESS blatant liberal bullshxt (sic) in Somalia!
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Old 31.01.2012, 21:06
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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

seems like another case for a special fund.. as long as the companies have to pay this directly they would be trying to take the least social responsibility...if all companies have to pay a special tax.. from which the female employee's salary is paid during maternity leave ..then there would be less such situations perhaps.
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Old 31.01.2012, 21:14
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seems like another case for a special fund.. as long as the companies have to pay this directly they would be trying to take the least social responsibility...if all companies have to pay a special tax.. from which the female employee's salary is paid during maternity leave ..then there would be less such situations perhaps.
I don't think the companies do pay it themselves it comes out of the same money that the men get when they do military service. Women pushed to get the law changed to make this happen.
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Sorry, but I find that society makes one set of rules on paper (women have equal chances) and then applies another (you are a bad parent if you take your equal chances). It is hard to change unwritten rules, especially when the result of discrimmination laws seem to be that nobody expresses views like yours to one's face but still applies those views to my job prospects.
Equality on paper, haha. In the majority of countries there is no paternity leave. I personally would love 6 months to care for and watch the development of a new born.

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I also agree it is an inappropriate question to ask. But coming from Canada and hanging around with mostly soon to graduate/new graduate nursing females at the peak of their re productivity. They all always openly discussed landing that full time position and getting over the probation periods so they could have kids and milk the free income. As soon as this ran out, it was serious strategic timing of using vacation/sick/personal days until the next baby was ready. Absolutely made me sick! Such blatant liberal bullshxt. One of the main reasons I was happy to jump continent and move somewhere a bit 'backwards' but logically sound ignoring much political correctness.
Do you have children?
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Old 01.02.2012, 15:26
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Do you have children?
Well no, but my opinions don't change due to my family status. When (if) I choose to have children, I'll probably take responsibility for the decision and ALL the side effects positive and negative that come with the choice. I would use my parents as a good example, they made their choice to have children and never accepted handouts, loans, or any other 'help' for the decisions they made.
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I would use my parents as a good example, they made their choice to have children and never accepted handouts, loans, or any other 'help' for the decisions they made.
Sometimes the responsible thing for a parent to do is to accept a handout or loan. Without it you would all starve, but it shouldn't be planned in.
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Old 01.02.2012, 15:37
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Sometimes the responsible thing for a parent to do is to accept a handout or loan. Without it you would all starve, but it shouldn't be planned in.
Fair enough, some people just don't know how to plan ahead.
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Old 01.02.2012, 15:46
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Very radical of you jumping ship from one country with strong social protections to another. Yes, quite! I hear there's even LESS blatant liberal bullshxt (sic) in Somalia!
Well I would happily move to Somalia if I had citizenship, spoke the language, and they had a globally top-tier research institute which offered me a PhD.
Canada had it's pluses which were nice, but having worked with HR departments, its definitely demotivating how much power a loud minority voice has over the hard working quite majority. Initially it was just to get a good 2 year perspective on things at home, but I have to say, this country works very hard and successfully with their 'old-fashion' ways.
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Re: tired of being asked in jobs interviews if I would like to have children.

Strange to discriminate against women in Switzerland on this issue, especially as young men are away so much for military leave. But I guess that information is known upfront by employers.
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Strange to discriminate against women in Switzerland on this issue, especially as young men are away so much for military leave. But I guess that information is known upfront by employers.
It's 260 days all together (IIRC) - but split over several years.
Raising a baby does not work that way, I'm afraid.
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Talking about the 'go forth and change the world' reminds me of a great poster I used to have in the kitchen when kids were little.
the caption said:

I wanted to go and change the world
but I couldn't find a babysitter
had to laugh self-critically
this is SO true for too many of us...
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Old 01.02.2012, 18:24
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It's 260 days all together (IIRC) - but split over several years.
Raising a baby does not work that way, I'm afraid.
Maybe to make things 'equal' they could even things out by letting the lads have a couple of years to get their careers going and then take them out of circulation for a year for their military service. I'm sure their employers would keep their jobs available for them....
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Well no, but my opinions don't change due to my family status. When (if) I choose to have children, I'll probably take responsibility for the decision and ALL the side effects positive and negative that come with the choice. I would use my parents as a good example, they made their choice to have children and never accepted handouts, loans, or any other 'help' for the decisions they made.
Are you suggesting that maternity pay constitutes a handout or loan?

As for your other post about women planning to "milk" free money, I don't think that most sleepless, hard-working mums would feel they're milking the system. Um, no pun intended. ;p
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Well I would happily move to Somalia if I had citizenship, spoke the language, and they had a globally top-tier research institute which offered me a PhD.
You mean that top-tier research institute where you are getting an expensive effectively free education at the cost of Swiss taxpayers and businesses? Wow, what kind of "liberal busshxt" is that?
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Old 01.02.2012, 19:47
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Are you suggesting that maternity pay constitutes a handout or loan?

As for your other post about women planning to "milk" free money, I don't think that most sleepless, hard-working mums would feel they're milking the system. Um, no pun intended. ;p

As per my post, potential mothers who take on a job before a planned pregnancy in order to receive maternity pay is in my opinion milking the system.

Compare that to parents who, on deciding to have and raise children leave their job and income to raise their children. They definitely don't consider an employer paying them to do no work for the company. My parents and many generations before seemed to pull it off.

Again, as posted above I am not against such programs as maternity leave, I do support the program for both parents (obviously parental dependent on the respectable timing for the child), but have experienced many cases of abuse, which have been improperly considered as acceptable in my opinion.

Just my opinion, but if I do decide to have children, at least one parent will be at home to take on the full time responsibility of raising a child. The guilt of forcing an independent employer to provide a paycheque for this, would be out of the question.

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You mean that top-tier research institute where you are getting an expensive effectively free education at the cost of Swiss taxpayers and businesses? Wow, what kind of "liberal busshxt" is that?
Well I'm not sure how much education I am getting, but I am getting paid to perform and publish research, and I do pay a lot more taxes here than I did in Canada, so I seem it's fair. Extreme example arguments will always win: Far left is as bad as far right, so just as quickly as one will say to move to Somalia to be free of person who abuse social programs, one could argue to move to Canada (eg) to get the fair treatment missing in Switzerland.
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As per my post, potential mothers who take on a job before a planned pregnancy in order to receive maternity pay is in my opinion milking the system.
This must be trolling. Not even chemists... or could they? Anyway, I'll bite.

So what about unplanned then? How do you tell them apart? Do you have to submit receipts for condoms or empty "pill" blisters to your employer?

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Well I'm not sure how much education I am getting, but I am getting paid to perform and publish research, and I do pay a lot more taxes here than I did in Canada, so I seem it's fair. Extreme example arguments will always win: Far left is as bad as far right, so just as quickly as one will say to move to Somalia to be free of person who abuse social programs, one could argue to move to Canada (eg) to get the fair treatment missing in Switzerland.
Parents of course don't pay taxes. Nor will their children pay for your pension...
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