Anti Anti Thread

[Confloozed]

Are there any threads about what we don't hate about Switzerland? I mean, there is an endless complaint list about everything here. The worst, and most ridiculous and recent of which is a thread started about the aisle layout at shopping stores here, which makes me wonder...is there no end to this/or is there nothing you people can't complain about?

I am a certified complainer, yet, the question begs to ask, if some of you are so angry, why not go the F back to where you are from?

Would anyone even complain about where the mayo was placed in their own country? I feel like some people are on a quest to get upset about nothing.


Really.

Here, I'll start, I "hate" how not everyone says hello to me as they pass me daily.

[Dantesheaven]

	Quote:	Confloozed
	Are there any threads about what we don't hate about Switzerland? I mean, there is an endless complaint list about everything here. The worst, and most ridiculous and recent of which is a thread started about the aisle layout at shopping stores here, which makes me wonder...is there no end to this/or is there nothing you people can't complain about? I am a certified complainer, yet, the question begs to ask, if some of you are so angry, why not go the F back to where you are from? Here, I'll start, I "hate" how not everyone says hello to me as they pass me daily.

Sweet....

I don't hate how the elderly ladies Bonjour back to me when I say Bonjour to them as I pass them on the street

I don't hate how predictable the city services are when it comes to keeping the streets clean

I don't hate how, in general, the people in the shops will smile, put up with my crappy French and are willing to help me get what I need when placing an order with them

[lost_inbroad]

	Quote:	Confloozed
	Are there any threads about what we don't hate about Switzerland? I mean, there is an endless complaint list about everything here. The worst, and most ridiculous and recent of which is a thread started about the aisle layout at shopping stores here, which makes me wonder...is there no end to this/or is there nothing you people can't complain about? I am a certified complainer, yet, the question begs to ask, if some of you are so angry, why not go the F back to where you are from? Would anyone even complain about where the mayo was placed in their own country? I feel like some people are on a quest to get upset about nothing. Really. Here, I'll start, I "hate" how not everyone says hello to me as they pass me daily.

I hate anti anti threads.

[Sbrinz]

	Quote:	Confloozed
	Are there any threads about what we don't hate about Switzerland? I mean, there is an endless complaint list about everything here. The worst, and most ridiculous and recent of which is a thread started about the aisle layout at shopping stores here, which makes me wonder...is there no end to this/or is there nothing you people can't complain about? Here, I'll start, I "hate" how not everyone says hello to me as they pass me daily.

They are the 30% foreigners, or Swiss with a bad hair day.

There was another positive thread recently.... 26 pages long! OK now tell me what you LOVE about Switzerland

[Uncle Max]

I don't hate how some threads aren't hijacked within five posts. Some like the sound of their own typing.

[jrspet]

why live in switzerland?

Why does an American move to and live in switzerland?

people who love life in switzerland

Why I LOVE Switzerland

[FMX]

Is it because it's called "Complaints corner" ?? a kind of pinboard that "attracts" complaints?

The equivalent forum in Finland has an interesting concept .... corner for rants - I do prefer the Finnish idea of "Tea and sympathy" :

http://www.finlandforum.org/viewforu...6278ae942f972b

On the other hand I can imagine many emigration candidates to Switzerland can find very usefull infos in the complaints corner.

my 2 cents...

[phdoofus]

I hate people who don't know how to use the search function. This goes doubly so for forum veterans.

[Upthehatters2008]

I don't hate anything. It leads to the dark side...and you don't want to go there...it's...dark.

[desperate]

I don't hate Swiss neutrality

[Confloozed]

	Quote:	FMX
	Is it because it's called "Complaints corner" ?? a kind of pinboard that "attracts" complaints? The equivalent forum in Finland has an interesting concept .... corner for rants - I do prefer the Finnish idea of "Tea and sympathy" : http://www.finlandforum.org/viewforu...6278ae942f972b On the other hand I can imagine many emigration candidates to Switzerland can find very usefull infos in the complaints corner. my 2 cents...

I read over all the forums, it's that it irks me when I see some remarks on here that really could be said about any place, and people are only saying them because they are away from their place.

When I came here I got all in a fuss about the obvious. But maybe the most of the people complaining are just new arrivals, but when they go on about stuff that has no meaning at all. Well it seems enough.

And I have this question to add...why is the complaints corner blocked to visitors? Is there something to hide?

[Busby]

Just before I die I'm going to beg to be reincarnated in CH. I think that's what happened last time too.

[k_and_e]

	Quote:	Confloozed
	Would anyone even complain about where the mayo was placed in their own country? I feel like some people are on a quest to get upset about nothing.

This is actually quite a positive thing. If you are complaining about shop layouts, it can only mean that all important matters are good here.

Ok, it could also be that the complainer needs to get a life

[Textoch]

	Quote:	Confloozed
	Are there any threads about what we don't hate about Switzerland? I mean, there is an endless complaint list about everything here. The worst, and most ridiculous and recent of which is a thread started about the aisle layout at shopping stores here, which makes me wonder...is there no end to this/or is there nothing you people can't complain about? I am a certified complainer, yet, the question begs to ask, if some of you are so angry, why not go the F back to where you are from? Would anyone even complain about where the mayo was placed in their own country? I feel like some people are on a quest to get upset about nothing. Really. Here, I'll start, I "hate" how not everyone says hello to me as they pass me daily.

I think that it is natural for those who are out of their own country to find things that they don't understand or annoy them, and of course they then want to get feedback from others, if not just to observe the solidarity of the "raising of hands" to say, "I get what you mean! I feel the same way!"

Complaints Corner is the prime area for discussions to get heated, though, given that its threads consist of a lot of opinions rather than questions/answers/facts. But I find that a lot of the anger that you mention arises after the initial complaint, in response to the initial complaint (by those who don't agree) and then as a response to the responses. We are all quite capable of being annoyed by things; for most of us though our capacity to be annoyed is even higher when we are confronted by people who disagree with us. Add in the "truth serum" of the anonymity/facelessness of the internet, and it can be a pretty volatile equation.

However, if it wasn't for Complaints Corner, those threads about things that expats find annoying or can't quite grasp would be cluttering up the other sections of the forum. Right now they are conveniently located in one place, making it easy for members to find them if they like that sort of stuff, or avoid them if they don't!

[simplon]

	Quote:	k_and_e
	Ok, it could also be that the complainer needs to get a life

That's one way to see it, the other one is to ask why people who really should stay in their native country, find it necessary to relocate to another country. I always thought that someone works abroad to experience other ways of living and other cultures. I obviously was wrong!

[lost_inbroad]

	Quote:	simplon
	That's one way to see it, the other one is to ask why people who really should stay in their native country, find it necessary to relocate to another country. I always thought that someone works abroad to experience other ways of living and other cultures. I obviously was wrong!

In regard to your statement, I find it rather ignorant on your behalf to simply assume that everybody relocates to experience other ways of living and other cultures. There are ample people here, who came because of their loved ones, jobs, studies, research, you name it...The fact that people complain about certain inefficiencies should not be seen in such a negative light but rather as an oportunity for improvement.

[MathNut]

Mad inconvenient grocery layouts do exist back home and I do find them annoying there too. Next question?

There are several things that make the experience more frustrating here though. The main difference is that back home I at least know what the product is supposed to look like: I'd be searching for a familiar product through aisles full of other familiar products. Here I am searching for an unfamiliar product through aisles of unfamiliar products. (I won't tell you how many shops I concluded "didn't stock" condensed milk - before I realized it comes in a tube here instead of a can. )
Nothing Swiss supermarkets can do about this, of course, but it does make the experience legitimately more frustrating. I think people who've been here long enough tend to forget how unfamiliar everything was in the beginning.

Of course the other difference is that if I recounted my supermarket agonies to a fellow local back home I'd expect some commiseration, whether heartfelt or merely polite. Here I can expect one of two responses: blank incomprehension ("but that is where the mustard has always been in this shop since I was a small boy. How can this be confusing?"), or a more or less strongly delivered scolding for "foreigners who come here expecting everything to be the same as ____." I can sympathize with both reactions to a certain extent, but I hope you can see why I'd prefer to take my (very occasional) complaints elsewhere instead of eliciting either one.

	Quote:	Confloozed
	...is there no end to this/or is there nothing you people can't complain about?

Nope, no end. It's called having a moan, and Brits are past masters at it. (I know we have all sorts of nationalities on here but the forum culture (particularly Complaints Corner) seems to be mainly British.)

The rule is though that it's not to be taken seriously OR engaged in seriously. This is why you will see a lot of threads in Complaints Corner about grocery layouts, improperly brewed tea in restaurants, colleagues who chew bubble gum - while very few about personal relationships, job loss and permits not getting renewed. If something really, honestly matters to people, they keep schtum about it, at least during this sort of conversation.

HTH.

[ticino]

if you don't like a thread, don't read it. Quite simple.

[FCBarca]

	Quote:	lost_inbroad
	In regard to your statement, I find it rather ignorant on your behalf to simply assume that everybody simply relocates to experience other ways of living and other cultures. There are ample people here, who came because of their loved ones, jobs, studies, research, you name it...The fact that people complain about certain inefficiencies should not be seen in such a negative light but rather as an oportunity for improvement.

It's an awfully arrogant position to take, in all honesty...Most of the people complaining are coming from two countries - the US & the UK...Two countries where there are a massive number of ongoing problems...and then they proceed to complain & tell people en Suisse how it should be better?

As far as I can tell, perhaps those complaining should accept those differences & nuances to life here as perhaps a better way of living - particularly when they don't enjoy the same problems in the UK & US

Adaptability and openness, it's two aspects of US & UK culture that is universally lampooned due to the disappointing refusal of a vast majority of them to integrate

[Upthehatters2008]

	Quote:	ticino
	if you don't like a thread, don't read it. Quite simple.

How would you know you don't like it until you have read it ?