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Old 15.02.2012, 18:37
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You can factor in differences between start-up, SMB and large corporates...
and also between the exciting positive attitude of the Bay Area and the daily drone that is Corporate America.
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The main difference between the cultures being discussed here is that the USA is all about selling and generally hype while the DACH region is about delivery on promises with a much higher quality of product then the sales hype approach.
In Switzerland, I find the workers quite with the 8-5 mentality and
scared to take on any responsibility.

In the US, we make a commitment and hold on to the commitment
with our dear lives.

In my current company, we have software projects that are 2-3
years late. This would NEVER happen in the US. Heads would
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Yeah, I work for an American company and most of the "best company ever!" jingoism completely falls flat on the people here, rightfully so IMO. People here work to live, not live to work. On our annual employee surveys, the question that repeatedly appears is "Are you proud to work at ____?" Which just seems insane to me and most people I know. I value working where I work, value the people I work with, but we're not saving the whales here, guys.

Edit: Oops, seems there was a running joke to keep this thread off-topic for as long as possible. I apologize.
We recently got a little black book with "Our Vaules" and a T-Shirt to wear that highlighted these company values. Kinda reminded me about the little red books I've heard about in China.
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Old 15.02.2012, 19:32
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Re: Company culture in US and DACH

I was a big fan of 'demotivational posters' -the parody of motivational posters seen commonly in NA workplaces. Haven't seen them here at all-although I've only worked in manual labor and academia-but those who I've shown the parody to-don't seem to understand the original concept
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Old 15.02.2012, 23:03
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I was a big fan of 'demotivational posters' -the parody of motivational posters seen commonly in NA workplaces. Haven't seen them here at all-although I've only worked in manual labor and academia-but those who I've shown the parody to-don't seem to understand the original concept
I've worked in several places here that had them.

They were always in English though so I guess they were imported.
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Old 15.02.2012, 23:07
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Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to ask any anyone who worked in US and DACH noticed the difference in work attitudes in relation to company culture?

I'm a US/EU citizen who worked the past 10 years in Germany plus Ireland and now working in San Francisco for a dotcom startup. Don't know if it's just pre-IPO fever, or if it's a culture thing with regards to work, but I find my fellow citizens over eager and way enthusiastic about work. Not all, but most.

For example, the companies I worked for in Germany and also Ireland, company events would mostly be around a dinner and fairly modest. Here I notice things being big, obnoxious and really believing the marking hype - "Yeah TEAM!! GO! GO! GO!"

Anyways, just wanted to bring this up and see if I should start calling myself European.
Would thet be a roof in S.F.?
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Old 15.02.2012, 23:12
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In my current company, we have software projects that are 2-3
years late. This would NEVER happen in the US. Heads would
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2-3 YEARS?

I'm upset if I'm 2-3 DAYS late!

However, generally I'm early, and that includes hardware development and first series production!

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Well now everyone has told us what DACH is (I didn't know either by the way) could we perhaps get back to the original question.

Is this anything about Switzerland anyway? Or did I miss that bit?
Sorry
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Old 15.02.2012, 23:19
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Thanks everyone for filling me in. Poor Liechtenstein. Could me make it DALCH instead.


Anyone seen these outside the US?
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The acronym DACH - is this widely known and used, or something made up for the purpose of this thread? ..... because I've never encountered it and can only think that it's something dreamt up by those from across the pond.

If D is for Deutschland, and CH for Confoederatio Helvetica, then A for Austria, is incorrect - it should be Ö for Österreich, if each countries' name for itself is used.

This would make the correct acronym DÖCH (not to be confused with DOHC, meaning double overhead cam.). For keyboards without umlauted letters, then DOECH should be used.

As the acronym is in the thread title, then it should be something that is easily understood by those who read it. Maybe German speaking Nations or Germanic peoples should be used, if this is the meaning intended.
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Re: Company culture in US and DACH

Why can't they just have GS = German speaking?

Many years ago I walked into my electronic department in Salt Lake City at 8am on a Monday morning, and the conversation went, "Hey guys, did you see, the Church has opened a new temple in East Berlin?" Answer: "Ra Ra Ra!"

I think most European employees would be discussing football, not the Mormon church on a Monday morning. I am still to this day amazed and a little bit frightened of this attitude. It reminds me of the dictatorial leadership styles during the past century. Even Mrs Thatcher used the leadership style "Either you agree, or you are my enemy"
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Old 16.02.2012, 00:16
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Why can't they just have GS = German speaking?
Because it's not the same. DACH is often used as a business or marketing region by international companies.

DACH is not identical to German speaking as not all of CH speaks German, and there are also (smallish) German speaking areas in Belgium, Italy and France among others so it's not the same thing.
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In Switzerland, I find the workers quite with the 8-5 mentality and
scared to take on any responsibility.

In the US, we make a commitment and hold on to the commitment
with our dear lives.
When discussing some issues or problem projects which happened before I arrived, the senior Swiss people always say "I don't want to point fingers..." or "I don't want to blame anyone...".

Definitely a different attitude to what I am used to.
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We recently got a little black book with "Our Vaules" and a T-Shirt to wear that highlighted these company values. Kinda reminded me about the little red books I've heard about in China.
In the first company I worked we had a CEO who likd to say things like "quality is our religion" and "first work smarter, then work harder" and he also wrote a little book filled with that type of dumbed-down nonsense statements. Some of the most nonsensical ones we printed out and stuck on the office walls and he thought we were agreeing with him while really we were mocking him. I actually also have Mao's little red book which I bought in a jumble sale and it had some statements which were very similar. We also researched some others that came from Goebbels that were in a similar vein. So we made a sport of inventing our own motivational statements in his style and we had many a hilarious lunchbreak doing impressions of him (he had a special type of voice that was easy to mock). I think he must at some point have caught wind of that and toned it down somewhat.
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Re: Company culture in US and DACH

This thread makes me *LACH*.

For once, the Germans get left out.
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Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to ask any anyone who worked in US and DACH noticed the difference in work attitudes in relation to company culture?

I'm a US/EU citizen who worked the past 10 years in Germany plus Ireland and now working in San Francisco for a dotcom startup. Don't know if it's just pre-IPO fever, or if it's a culture thing with regards to work, but I find my fellow citizens over eager and way enthusiastic about work. Not all, but most.

For example, the companies I worked for in Germany and also Ireland, company events would mostly be around a dinner and fairly modest. Here I notice things being big, obnoxious and really believing the marking hype - "Yeah TEAM!! GO! GO! GO!"

Anyways, just wanted to bring this up and see if I should start calling myself European.

I know what you mean. If European company culture is comparable to a candle, then US culture is more of a sparkler- faster, brighter, better light, but much shorter in terms of time. The US culture is one where the job is a means of achieving personal and financial objectives, where as the European one is where one seeks self-fulfillment and growth in maturity of doing business.
Just my thoughts
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I know what you mean. If European company culture is comparable to a candle, then US culture is more of a sparkler- faster, brighter, better light, but much shorter in terms of time. The US culture is one where the job is a means of achieving personal and financial objectives, where as the European one is where one seeks self-fulfillment and growth in maturity of doing business.
Just my thoughts
I'll agree. One of my favorite things to ask new people I meet is, "What are your plans for vacation?" With Europeans I get a warm response with something along the lines of Italy, or some other destination. With Americans I get a dumb look as if I asked them what they are planning to have for breakfast tomorrow.
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Seriously has anyone worked in ANY country that does the RahRah events like the US? I'm convinced it's only a US thing.
Disagree. I've never been to so many team events in my life as when I've been living in DACH.

(This is the first time I've used that term... I dunno why but it sounds kinda dirty )
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In Switzerland, I find the workers quite with the 8-5 mentality and
scared to take on any responsibility.

In the US, we make a commitment and hold on to the commitment
with our dear lives.

In my current company, we have software projects that are 2-3
years late. This would NEVER happen in the US. Heads would
roll.
Can I work for your company?

I wholeheartedly agree with your 8-5 assessment, including a dire inability to make any decision on their own. Which leaves the project manager - who still can't be late.
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I'll agree. One of my favorite things to ask new people I meet is, "What are your plans for vacation?" With Europeans I get a warm response with something along the lines of Italy, or some other destination. With Americans I get a dumb look as if I asked them what they are planning to have for breakfast tomorrow.
I'm sorry. I have to call bullshit on that. Feel free to make a follow up qualification. Next thing you'll be saying is they don't envy your generous number of vacation days (which you likely wouldn't get if it weren't mandated by the gov't)
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I'll agree. One of my favorite things to ask new people I meet is, "What are your plans for vacation?" With Europeans I get a warm response with something along the lines of Italy, or some other destination. With Americans I get a dumb look as if I asked them what they are planning to have for breakfast tomorrow.
My response is "I'll wait for nice weather, then go for a motorcycle ride!"

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