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Company culture in US and DACH

Hi Everyone,

Just wanted to ask any anyone who worked in US and DACH noticed the difference in work attitudes in relation to company culture?

I'm a US/EU citizen who worked the past 10 years in Germany plus Ireland and now working in San Francisco for a dotcom startup. Don't know if it's just pre-IPO fever, or if it's a culture thing with regards to work, but I find my fellow citizens over eager and way enthusiastic about work. Not all, but most.

For example, the companies I worked for in Germany and also Ireland, company events would mostly be around a dinner and fairly modest. Here I notice things being big, obnoxious and really believing the marking hype - "Yeah TEAM!! GO! GO! GO!"

Anyways, just wanted to bring this up and see if I should start calling myself European.
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Re: Company culture in US and DACH

Sorry, what is DACH?
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Sorry, what is DACH?
Germany Austria Switzerland aka The German speaking world.


And yes, massive differences in the working culture - I know some will naturally object to the sentiment, but I've yet to have half the productivity expected of me here as in the past.
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Re: Company culture in US and DACH

DACH is a sales abbreviation for the Germany, Austria and Switzerland area.
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Germany Austria Switzerland aka The German speaking world.
Umm, we don't speak German in Switzerland (at least not where I live!), we speak ITALIAN!

It the northerners that speak that horrible stuff!

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Sorry, what is DACH?
it comes from D-A-CH Germany, Austria, Switzerland
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Umm, we don't speak German in Switzerland (at least not where I live!), we speak ITALIAN!

Tom
Ha, yes, but that would fall under duplicate classification.

And the "stuff" they speak isn't German in the slightest - so the whole thing's a lie anyway.
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Re: Company culture in US and DACH

Well now everyone has told us what DACH is (I didn't know either by the way) could we perhaps get back to the original question.

Is this anything about Switzerland anyway? Or did I miss that bit?
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Well now everyone has told us what DACH is (I didn't know either by the way) could we perhaps get back to the original question.

Is this anything about Switzerland anyway? Or did I miss that bit?
Well, considering that there is already a HUGE difference in "company culture" between north/south CH, how the others factor in I've no idea!

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Well, considering that there is already a HUGE difference in "company culture" between north/south CH, how the others factor in I've no idea!

Tom
You can factor in differences between start-up, SMB and large corporates...
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Re: Company culture in US and DACH

Poor forgotten Liechtenstein...
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Re: Company culture in US and DACH

The main difference between the cultures being discussed here is that the USA is all about selling and generally hype while the DACH region is about delivery on promises with a much higher quality of product then the sales hype approach.
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Re: Company culture in US and DACH

Thanks everyone for filling me in. Poor Liechtenstein. Could me make it DALCH instead.

I would say there is a difference between the world & the US. I don't know of any other country that has these rah, rah team building events that the OP describes.

Anyone seen these outside the US?
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The main difference between the cultures being discussed here is that the USA is all about selling and generally hype while the DACH region is about delivery on promises with a much higher quality of product then the sales hype approach.
You've never bought Swiss software, have you? Or had to deal with SAP?
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The main difference between the cultures being discussed here is that the USA is all about selling and generally hype while the DACH region is about delivery on promises with a much higher quality of product then the sales hype approach.
I guess that can be a good generalization.

Does this have something to do with how the business cycle works in the US and EU? I've noticed that in the States, a lot of departmental budgets are set and near the end of a quater comes in the "use or loose" buying spree. In EU I haven't noticed this kind of budget allocations within a company and projects are funded with a more long-term approach.

Would you agree?
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You've never bought Swiss software, have you? Or had to deal with SAP?
SAP is what it is, but I can't imagine Léo Apotheker jumping around on stage with rock music and Las Vegas themed photoshoped slideshows.
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I guess that can be a good generalization.

Does this have something to do with how the business cycle works in the US and EU? I've noticed that in the States, a lot of departmental budgets are set and near the end of a quater comes in the "use or loose" buying spree. In EU I haven't noticed this kind of budget allocations within a company and projects are funded with a more long-term approach.

Would you agree?
No. Roche, for example, has exactly this "use or loose" spree at the end of the year.
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Re: Company culture in US and DACH

The acronym DACH - is this widely known and used, or something made up for the purpose of this thread? ..... because I've never encountered it and can only think that it's something dreamt up by those from across the pond.

If D is for Deutschland, and CH for Confoederatio Helvetica, then A for Austria, is incorrect - it should be Ö for Österreich, if each countries' name for itself is used.

This would make the correct acronym DÖCH (not to be confused with DOHC, meaning double overhead cam.). For keyboards without umlauted letters, then DOECH should be used.

As the acronym is in the thread title, then it should be something that is easily understood by those who read it. Maybe German speaking Nations or Germanic peoples should be used, if this is the meaning intended.
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The acronym DACH - is this widely known and used, or something made up for the purpose of this thread? ..... because I've never encountered it and can only think that it's something dreamt up by those from across the pond.

If D is for Deutschland, and CH for Confoederatio Helvetica, then A for Austria, is incorrect - it should be Ö for Österreich, if each countries' name for itself is used.

This would make the correct acronym DÖCH (not to be confused with DOHC, meaning double overhead cam.). For keyboards without umlauted letters, then DOECH should be used.

As the acronym is in the thread title, then it should be something that is easily understood by those who read it. Maybe German speaking Nations or Germanic peoples should be used, if this is the meaning intended.
The use of A for Austria comes from the country code used for vehicle identification (those white oval stickers with black letters on them on the back of cars). Under that system, Austria is A, Germany D and Switzerland CH. Dear forgotten Liechtenstein is FL (Fürstentum Liechtenstein, Fürstentum meaning "principality"). To make it into a pronounceable word, I'd go for FLADCH. It is odd that Austria does not use letters related to Österreich in its various designations, but its ISO 2 letter form is AT and 3 letter form is AUT, it's internet domain is .at and the old Austrian Schilling was the ATS.
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You do realize that in the last few years Leo has been fired by SAP and HP. That being said, golden parachutes from those two firms would give me several millions of reasons to dance!

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