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Old 20.02.2012, 23:10
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But Switzerland produced half-Franc / 1/2 Franken) pieces which were supposed being just half as heavy/large than the ONE-Franc pieces
Does anyone else think "how typically Swiss" when reading that?
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Does anyone else think "how typically Swiss" when reading that?
I do. Wolli is a national treasure .
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Old 20.02.2012, 23:52
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Re: Idiotic customer rant!

Sorry for the nasty rant from one of my country-men, I have a tough time with the coins too, but for an entirely different reason: We are unaccustomed to carrying so many coins around as it is considered bad form to pay for things with coins in the US, so, my coin-purse becomes quite weighty very quickly.

The plus side is that I wind up with some "spending money" sometimes just out of the change that collects on a coffee mug on my desk though.

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I frequently get the 10 and 50 centimes/Rappen coins mixed up, having bad eyes and being a bit self-conscious about visibly feeling round the edges of them in front of everyone in the queue to see if the edge is milled or not. The inevitable result is a wallet full of coins that I avoid using except on the rare occasions when I go to a public car park.

Doesn't excuse the rant, of course.
This is where I'd find the problem between 0.50 and 0.10chf coins, easily answered and understood if someone has a hard time seeing. This IS something that was discussed many a time in the US with regard to bills all being the same size and color, and part of the reason for the more recent alterations in design.
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Re: Idiotic customer rant!

has a point with the 1/2 franc and 10 rappen coins.

imo, coins should get bigger and heavier with value, it's only logical, isn't it?
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has a point with the 1/2 franc and 10 rappen coins.

imo, coins should get bigger and heavier with value, it's only logical, isn't it?
That is the way it is in Canada. I think the 10 cents is a bit smaller than the 1 cent but it is thinner and different color.
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has a point with the 1/2 franc and 10 rappen coins.

imo, coins should get bigger and heavier with value, it's only logical, isn't it?
well Phil, we would absolutely LOVE to see you walking around bow legged and lopsided because you got too much coins in your pocket!

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50rp for parking? What cheap Kanton Congo do you live in?

Dolder Ice rink parking.
0.5 CHF per hour.
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Old 21.02.2012, 00:07
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has a point with the 1/2 franc and 10 rappen coins.

imo, coins should get bigger and heavier with value, it's only logical, isn't it?
My thought exactly, Try ours out 'Down Under'. A 50 cent weighs about as much as 2 five frank coins together but on the other hand a 2 dollar coin is about the size of a half frank coin only thicker. You can drop a 2 dollar coin and not even hear it.

Great when counting up a full piggy bank though....

On the 10rp and half frank. They make me feel like a tourist still. Standing at the counter closely inspecting each coin as I place them on the counter... he he he he
Most of the time I'm just happy to break a note and save all my coins in a piggy bank at home...
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Old 21.02.2012, 00:14
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Sorry for the nasty rant from one of my country-men, I have a tough time with the coins too, but for an entirely different reason: We are unaccustomed to carrying so many coins around as it is considered bad form to pay for things with coins in the US, so, my coin-purse becomes quite weighty very quickly.

The plus side is that I wind up with some "spending money" sometimes just out of the change that collects on a coffee mug on my desk though.



This is where I'd find the problem between 0.50 and 0.10chf coins, easily answered and understood if someone has a hard time seeing. This IS something that was discussed many a time in the US with regard to bills all being the same size and color, and part of the reason for the more recent alterations in design.
Those seeing-handicapped persons of course would have been well served by the Italian 1000 Lire banknotes of the 1950ies and 60ies

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which had the size of blankets, the value of CHF 7.--, the looks and physical qualities of the toilet-paper of a leading German producer, and were often used to be put below the pillar of an uneven table ---- they could be folded many times
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Re: Idiotic customer rant!

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Now, I think of myself of a very helpful and friendly person working at my little store everyday to make my customers happy. I know there are weird, impatient and annoying people and over the years I've learned to deal with most situations.

BUT it stops when it comes to ignorance!!!

Here's the story:
American man comes to the store with his hands full of coins, swearing.
Me, (helpful as I am) ask, if I can be of any assistance with the coins, as I know they can be annoying to foreigners.
He says to me: "you could make other coins, that's what you could do! What's the difference between the 10Rp and the 50Rp???"
I said: "Well, 40Rp?"
"No, I mean the size! I have been here for 20 Years and still can't tell the difference!" ()
He pays his goods and ends this lovely conversation with "You know what coins are invented for? Idiots!!!"

WTF???

1. If swiss coins aren't good enough for him, why is he still here?
2. If he can't handle the coins, he should ask himself why he still is here?
3. Coming from a country where the notes all had the same color until a short while ago maybe he should think about why he is still here?
4. Not being able to speak the bloody language properly after 20 years he should ask himself why not and maybe why he is still here?

Yes my swiss heart got hurt
Yes I know maybe he just had a bad day
Yes I know the whole thing didn't have anything to do with me
But still!!!

Hopefully he is a member of EF and will read this rant!!!

Otherwise I had a lovely day, thank you very much!
Is it me or are there a lot of Americans in CH? I'm sure most of them are great people.
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Old 21.02.2012, 01:01
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Is it me or are there a lot of Americans in CH? I'm sure most of them are great people.
Nice but strange. For roughly two centuries, the USA was the country to where Swiss people emigrated. For roughly two centuries, the USA was the rich and gigantic and admirable "sister republic". And now, relatively suddenly, a sizeable number of Americans immigrate into Switzerland. I cannot tell you how many of them are "returnees" to the lands of some of their ancestors. The question is relevant as there are 100'000s or a few millions of US-Americans of partially Swiss origin
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Well, I do wonder what is the historical significance of making the 50 rappen coin small like the 5 rappen. A bit annoying, but not much different than the coinage of other countries. The only surprise is that CH seems so careful about the paper money being easy/convenient to use.

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sure, just like the CHF 1.--, while the -.20 and -.10 never were !

and the design is much nicer still ! But the -.20 piece in the late 1950ies was enough to pay for a piece of confectionary in the nearest Konditorei, the price only got up to -.30 in about 1960 or 61 . For about CHF 1.-- or 1.10 you could buy a full tart, and a nice cake was availabe at -.55 or -.60 .
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Re: Idiotic customer rant!

You got that right,

as a matter of fact, 20, 10, 5 and 1 rp coins were much less in weight due to nickel up from the 1880ies.


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Totally off-topic but the 50 Rappen (sorry Wollishofener, I should say 1/2 Franc) coins, like the 1 Franc and 2 Franc coins have a milled edge so no problem feeling the difference... 10 Rappen, 20 Rappen and 5 Rappen are all smooth. 5 Franc has a sort of pattern, neither milled nor smooth.
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Well, I do wonder what is the historical significance of making the 50 rappen coin small like the 5 rappen. A bit annoying, but not much different than the coinage of other countries. The only surprise is that CH seems so careful about the paper money being easy/convenient to use.
The reason is also in tradition.

Many ex currencies were inspired by the Swiss frank, e.g. the German Reichsmark and Goldmark (same patterns and design). The frank is a model not only in its financial value.
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Re: Idiotic customer rant!

He does not sound fun to deal with, that is for sure.

The coins can be a bit horrific at times, especially when we come from a culture where we pay for small things with debit and credit cards.

Places here often will not allow you to pay for something less than 10 CHF with a Maestro card...or they give you a look, or they tell you that it would be better next time to not use your Visa for what costed 15 CHF. We are not so used to using paper currency, and especially coins nowadays in America.

Also, I think after 20 years, he should at least speak pretty good high German. I would not blame anyone for not learning Swiss German. Write it down in a book and find a way to teach it properly, and then I will learn it...but to make a language that basically excludes foreigners, I do not understand.
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Re: Idiotic customer rant!

There are a lot of Americans here in CH. But, America excepted people of all nationalities and races when people were emigrating in the early 20th century, especially. We are a land of many great cultures, and while it has made some problems in the current time period with too many illegal residents, we maintain that we are a diverse melting pot.

I think Switzerland needs more foreigners to inhabit the land. It is good that people from the outside come in and shake things up a bit. I know many Swiss people want to do things the "Swiss" way and would rather support real Swiss citizens...I get it, but we are all humans and the nationalism at times can be quite humorous to me.
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For about CHF 1.-- or 1.10 you could buy a full tart...
What do tarts go for nowadays...anybody knows?
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I think Switzerland needs more foreigners to inhabit the land. It is good that people from the outside come in and shake things up a bit. I know many Swiss people want to do things the "Swiss" way and would rather support real Swiss citizens...I get it, but we are all humans and the nationalism at times can be quite humorous to me.
Of course you are right in saying that you cannot compare CH to the US in immigration matters,

but consider that Switzerland in fact has one of the highest immigration and naturalization rates in all Europe, and not since yesterday, but in some regions (like Zurich e.g.) for centuries now.
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He does not sound fun to deal with, that is for sure.

The coins can be a bit horrific at times, especially when we come from a culture where we pay for small things with debit and credit cards.

Places here often will not allow you to pay for something less than 10 CHF with a Maestro card...or they give you a look, or they tell you that it would be better next time to not use your Visa for what costed 15 CHF. We are not so used to using paper currency, and especially coins nowadays in America.

Also, I think after 20 years, he should at least speak pretty good high German. I would not blame anyone for not learning Swiss German. Write it down in a book and find a way to teach it properly, and then I will learn it...but to make a language that basically excludes foreigners, I do not understand.
in the UK i used CC for everything. even to buy a 70p pack of sweets. just needed to keep the CC in my pocket together with an oyster card and a £20 note and you were all set.

i used to withdraw £30-£40 quid every 2 weeks or so.

now in switzerland, i have to take out 400 CHFs at a time and if i have less than 50CHFs in my pocket, i worry about running out of cash.

being back in the states for a while earlier this month, i got the reverse shock again as everybody was using cards for small purchases.
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Re: Idiotic customer rant!

Don't forget the issue with the 20rp and the 1fr. They always get mixed up too.

Thank you for all he interesting info about the history of swiss coins, nice to know what I am dealing with everyday!

Switzerland being a country with 25% foreigners living here and you want more?

I don't think the swiss invented swissgerman to exclude foreigners...
sounds silly...

I don't mind americans as long as they are nice...
I don't mind swiss either as long as they are nice...
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