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Old 28.02.2012, 21:37
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How to behave in public isn't the responsibility of the state, it's the job of your parents. Dumping that responsibility off on schools and assuming they'll take care of it for you is exactly why you have poorly disciplined children to begin with since that's not their job. That's the attitude of someone who thinks of schools as a substitute parent or babysitter instead of a place to learn. The problem is parents wanting to be their children's best friend and not their parent.
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how many kids are you raising?

Sooooo irrelevant really - and sooooooo relevant actually, lol.
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Re: Bad behaviour on trip to Lugano

One definitely doesn't need to be a parent to know that parents are the ones who should educate their children acceptable behaviour in society. And to know too that it's hard, btw...

I don't drive and still, I can recognize a bad driver when I see one.
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Old 28.02.2012, 21:44
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Absolutely- and yet most of us have great theories before, which have a tendency to vary later

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One definitely doesn't need to be a parent to know that parents are the ones who should educate their children acceptable behaviour in society. And to know too that it's hard, btw...

I don't drive and still, I can recognize a bad driver when I see one.
comparing raising a child to driving is a horrible analogy, one is an exercise in physics and one is definitely not. I understand your point and certainly agree that there are plenty of parents out there who are less than up to the task of raising children, but that has always been the case and I have seen nothing that suggests it is any worse now than it was 30 years ago.
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Old 28.02.2012, 22:32
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Children are like dogs. You need to ensure they have well defined boundaries, know who the "pack leader" is, don't shit on the floor and don't climb all over the furniture. If that fails, then use a choke chain.
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What happens when you have one who thinks the choke chain is a laugh riot?
He forms a band called INXS, then..no wait. Better not go there.
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Old 28.02.2012, 22:57
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I don't drive and still, I can recognize a bad driver when I see one.
I DO drive, and recognize that most people's driving SUCKS!

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comparing raising a child to driving is a horrible analogy, one is an exercise in physics and one is definitely not. I understand your point and certainly agree that there are plenty of parents out there who are less than up to the task of raising children, but that has always been the case and I have seen nothing that suggests it is any worse now than it was 30 years ago.
You obviously not been a teacher in a secondary school for the past 30+ years, have you?
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Re: Bad behaviour on trip to Lugano

One thing I've learned since becoming a parent, which this thread only serves to highlight, is that you have to have a pretty thick skin when raising children and be prepared to weather the disapproval of others at times when you know you are doing the best you can to raise well-behaved well-adjusted future adults.
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Re: Bad behaviour on trip to Lugano

Hi Darcy,
There is nothing to feel bad about in pointing out to a parent that their kids are being a pain.Most parents keep their kids in check.. i know what you mean, i keep quiet most of the time, but will say something if its beyond the pail.
Remember its not your job to sort out other kids .. which im sure you know, its the conductors job.Nonetheless frustrating..I see it often on trams n trains, and i remember when flying to Hong Kong in the 70s as kids , we were just told to shut it and deal.Which we did.

Anyways.... i wish you the best....
My last was spending an hour talking to young guys spitting on the street , in front of my wife.. pretty shameful.. i felt bad. Take care
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ironically I absolutely loathed kids until I somehow ended up with my own.

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Re: Bad behaviour on trip to Lugano

Well, I really have to say that I'm very glad none of you actually live here!

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Old 29.02.2012, 10:08
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I DO drive, and recognize that most people's driving SUCKS!

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They certainly do...I mean, you should see the number of people that seem to have accidents right behind me!
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There's no actual proof that this was ever said, as far as I understand.
True, but misunderstood truth, Socrates is more than likely a completely fictional character invented by Plato, Plato on the other hand is a real historical figure. The thrust of my argument highlights the time at which it was written, whoever's view it actually was is irrelevant and does not diminish my argument.

The fact still remains that it was written down by Plato over 2500 years ago, and was a view of his time, since that time we have had many enlightened and intelligent individuals, which accurately shows that arguments from personal experience and nostalgia are not worth a toss, who ever says it. Which is my bloody point, how many times do I have to explain this?
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Old 29.02.2012, 11:17
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Re: Bad behaviour on trip to Lugano

Did Plato live in Lugano?
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Re: Bad behaviour on trip to Lugano

i am so with Nil! i remember that my mom did exactly the same. walking the aisle behind me, taking care that i pay attention not to put my feet where they do not belong, not kicking other people, etc., etc. i had a couple of games she brought a long, some toys, just to keep me away from getting bored because that would have caused more stress than entertaining me.

its public transport, right. ad if i choose it to travel with... i know what to expect and will adjust. but i do expect that from others as well. i am sharing the public space with others and that means that i pay attention not to bother much other people. id find that embarrasing and not adequate if either me or my kids (i dont have any as i am writing this) would misbehave.

and if i was on said train, i would have saidk, theyre kids. they young n free and playful etc. but would ou mind to take care that the noise level keeps a bit more down? i have a bit of an headache and id be pleased if you could look after your kids.

if that wasnt successful, id left the coach to some more quieter space...
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Re: Bad behaviour on trip to Lugano

Hi all

Traveling with kids on a train is really not as easy as everyone might like to believe. Ever tried driving the car for more than 6 hours with kids in the back?? Not a very safe travel for the driver as well as all the other poor drivers around you. I can therefore understand why some people take then the train rather than have the stress "alone" in the car. But it is not fair to let the monkeys use the chairs as a jungle gym or the walkway as their race track.

I travel at least 12 times a year, a long journey with my three girls. They are 10, 6 and 2 years old. Starting in Zürich I go all the way up to the north of Germany and it takes 12 hours. This by myself and without any doping drugs to keep them quiet. I explain to them that we are not alone and if they are tired and want to sleep that they would also be annoyed if someone would play loud music near them. All in all... it takes a lot of nerves and really NO sitting back and just enjoy the travel when you are with kids. You have got to keep them busy with books and stories and if it must be a film.

I get annoyed with people who just let their kids run around and when they bother me, I go the parent/s and ask them to please spend some time entertaining the child and shove them one of my books in the hand. I have enough with!!

I am glad that my girls are at least well behaved and when I get compliments then it gives me the strength to travel again the next time. It is pure laziness from the parents who just cannot tell their child to think on others. I mean...what do they do at home???? Earplugs the whole day?
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