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After a long hard day in a new job, I got on to a train for a short commute home .. A conductor got in, checked my monthly pass, asked for my halbtax card and... fined me 75CHF for being in q 1st first class area with a 2nd class abonement! I honestly didn't even notice it was 1st class until he said so, it was so similar to a regular 2nd class I guess (on an S train). No compassion for a genuine mistake or any flexibility, those are the rules - get your fine! After investing in a pass and the halb tax card. So frustrated with both myself for not noticing and with the conductor for being the big man and fining a tired absent minded me with a ticket.
I so miss Ireland, even Gardi (police) are more understanding than that!
I take the S2 every day to Zurich and on my way back home it is extremely busy and hard to find a seat on 2nd class wagon. Since I`m pregnant and have motion sickness problems and back problems I buy the 1st class pass to ensure I get seated during my daily journey! I also pay 1st class when traveling to Milan every other weekend since the 2nd class wagon is extremely busy and really difficult to find a seat unless you reserve ahead of time.

I surely support the idea of fining people who use 1st class when buying 2nd class ticket as they take the seat of those who paid the 1st class seat to ensure they get a seat, especially for people with special needs (my case).

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Old 01.03.2012, 16:17
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Re: Sbb rant, I know, another one!

I've heard about "eat for two", but "write for two"? I think, in general, no one has a different view about that, neither the thread opener.
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Old 01.03.2012, 16:38
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Re: Sbb rant, I know, another one!

Well you have my sympathy. It's expensive for a genuine mistake, I made one a few weeks ago on a bus journey. My own fault, should have checked rather than ask. Anyway I've learned me lesson.
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Old 01.03.2012, 17:29
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Well you have my sympathy. It's expensive for a genuine mistake, I made one a few weeks ago on a bus journey. My own fault, should have checked rather than ask. Anyway I've learned me lesson.
How can you have first and second class on a bus?
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Old 01.03.2012, 17:32
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How can you have first and second class on a bus?
Jim Crow returns.
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Old 01.03.2012, 17:39
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Jim Crow returns.

Yeah ok but that happened a few weeks ago, not a few decades back
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Hard luck. I've done similar things and felt really frustrated.
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Old 01.03.2012, 19:43
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Well actually I think the normal procedure would have been that either you had paid the conductor the extra for 1st class or you had to go to 2nd instead.

Once upon a time one could get his tickets on trains, so the extras for special services.
Not on S-Bahn and Regio trains... at least not in the 14 years I have been here. They have always had that little eye symbol that means you have to have a valid ticked before you get on.

You can still upgrade to first class on the train in InterRegio and Intercity trains I think, as they all have on-board staff as opposed to random inspections.
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Old 01.03.2012, 20:04
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Not on S-Bahn and Regio trains... at least not in the 14 years I have been here. They have always had that little eye symbol that means you have to have a valid ticked before you get on.

You can still upgrade to first class on the train in InterRegio and Intercity trains I think, as they all have on-board staff as opposed to random inspections.
Not anymore, even Samichlaus and Schmutzli have to get their ticket before the train departs. A mobile ticked bought after the train left the station is not valid.
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Old 01.03.2012, 20:12
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Re: Sbb rant, I know, another one!

That is correct, since Dec 2011.

Even today, a lady living here in CH for over 22 years got caught unprepared / unaware that it was implemented 3 months ago. It was when I showed her the link that she relented and refrained from verbally abusing the Ticket Inspector, who fined her CHF90, a first ever for her apparently.

http://www.sbb.ch/en/station-service...-a-ticket.html

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Dear passengers: Please buy your ticket before you board the train! Since 11 December 2011, this is mandatory on modes of public transport in Switzerland.
As of this date, passengers travelling without a valid ticket have been required to pay an increased supplement on top of the cost of a ticket.

It is now mandatory to hold a valid ticket before boarding any SBB train.

Consequently, the obligation to buy a ticket before travelling – which already applied to regional and local services, has now been extended to long-distance services. This fare regulation also applies to the Swiss section of the international train journeys.

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Exemptions from increased supplements.

Disabled persons, children and groups are exempt from the increased supplement. Likewise, an accommodating attitude is adopted for passengers who have forgotten their personal travelcard (they will continue to pay a CHF 5 service surcharge).
This was also discussed at length in other threads on here.
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Re: Sbb rant, I know, another one!

Ah, my mistake then... I had read somewhere else that you could still upgrade from Second to First on the train (provided you had a valid ticket before getting on).

Edit: no, I'm right: a little lower down on the same page http://www.sbb.ch/en/station-service...-a-ticket.html

Difference between regional and long-distance services.
On long-distance services (IC, ICN, IR and international trains), it is still possible to purchase a class or route upgrade on board the train without paying a supplement. The minimum price for a class upgrade is CHF 10. It is not possible to purchase ticket upgrades on regional services (RE, R, S, SN).
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Klassenwechsel is still there though.

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After a long hard day in a new job, I got on to a train for a short commute home .. A conductor got in, checked my monthly pass, asked for my halbtax card and... fined me 75CHF for being in q 1st first class area with a 2nd class abonement! I honestly didn't even notice it was 1st class until he said so, it was so similar to a regular 2nd class I guess (on an S train). No compassion for a genuine mistake or any flexibility, those are the rules - get your fine! After investing in a pass and the halb tax card. So frustrated with both myself for not noticing and with the conductor for being the big man and fining a tired absent minded me with a ticket.
I so miss Ireland, even Gardi (police) are more understanding than that!
Dear Elena,

Why, oh why can't I groan at you??? We should catch up for /a bucket of/ Guinness sometime. I feel your pain... I miss Ireland so much and it's not getting any easier with time here:/ It felt like home there. Yes, I miss every dirty corner, wind that is always too strong, music on the streets every day and the country with all it's imperfections Not everyone can understand it I guess. Hold on there and wait... Will the Celtic Tiger ever roar again
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Old 01.03.2012, 20:50
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Dear Elena,

Why, oh why can't I groan at you??? We should catch up for /a bucket of/ Guinness sometime. I feel your pain... I miss Ireland so much and it's not getting any easier with time here:/ It felt like home there. Yes, I miss every dirty corner, wind that is always too strong, music on the streets every day and the country with all it's imperfections Not everyone can understand it I guess. Hold on there and wait... Will the Celtic Tiger ever roar again
And I thought Italians were homesick :-)
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Re: Sbb rant, I know, another one!

Garda? Garda Síochána? They are negotiators
Did you ever hear how they approach homeless on the street?
Something like: Dear Sir, would you please be so kind and consider relocation?
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Re: Sbb rant, I know, another one!

This happened to me a few weeks ago.
I went into the train on second class, but when looking for a seat I reached the first class without realizing it (it does look the same) When the ticket inspector checked my ticket, there was no problem and I just paid the CHF 11.00 for the upgrade.
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Old 01.03.2012, 21:07
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Now that SBB tried to cut costs also for staff they try to drop the responsibility on customers.
While waiting for a train I asked a conductor standing next to me about the reason for the change. He said they made the change so the conductors can get to more people to check tickets. The reasoning is that if people know there's a higher chance of getting caught they'll get a revenue increase from ticket sales.
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Old 01.03.2012, 21:24
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Re: Sbb rant, I know, another one!

It's probably just to stop iPhone users who never bought a ticket until they saw an inspector, and then they bought one quickly online.
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Android users on the other hand get a big kiss and cuddle...

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And a "there there" pat on the back.
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