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Old 22.03.2012, 14:47
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Makes me curious - what sort of "impulse" things do you buy?

For myself, the more often I go to the store, or the more time I have to bop around while I'm there, the more likely I am to pick up "bad" things like chips and chocolate. So, in a way, the funky open times help aid with people generally being (perceived to be) more healthy here (physically and fiscally), as they're less likely to bulk up with empty calories, or over spend with useless crap.
What impuls purchases I would make? Simply, breakfast for the next day (eggs, bacon etc...if I feel like it), Poweraid after sports. Chips, fruits and veggies for movie nights....a plunger (from the story I've mentioned here numerous times).
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Old 22.03.2012, 15:06
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Re: A Lunch Place Not Open AT LUNCH!!!!!!

It's good to see people being passionate over something like opening hours, customer service, etc., chances are somebody might read this and improve..

I don't really think, though, that preventing people with non standard lifestyles and working hours getting their food or service, is going to push people to mindfully live better life. I think that is just naieve to expect people have higher quality life because they always choose to. They pretty much don't have any other choice. I don't think lack of shop time will make people not overindulge in greasy food since they don't have time to wonder around the shop, nor do I think that kids will be popped in beds in the right time coz of the shop restrictions we live here with. I hear kids outside of my window, little ones, at midnight. And I see people buying unhealthy junk food all the time, simples. Less than elsewhere, true, coz of the price. I think the "perks" of restrictions are not really perks, but consequences, no matter how we interpret them, influenced by some peoples' ill choices back home.

I used to be bugged by it, because my life was all about non standard and not really willingly, but then - you make do, you get used to stuff, get creative, shop elsewhere when you get a chance (it's so fab it's festive, hello Divonne..guys, I am still up for the Pontalier girl trip, just gota get a few things sorted).

But I wouldn't romanticize the situ here, it's just something we have to deal with. I wouldn't automatically say restrictions are the right way to make people mindful. Who cares people go bonkers for buying stuff in the UK or US. There are too many of really great people I know there, who appreciate flexible shop times, since they are busy with their grand projects. So I think it is not only consumerism that pushes a culture for more user friendly living conditions. It's necessity to deal with variety. And, it is happening here, too. It's nice. Slow, still, but nice.

Hey, why are fresh sandwiches bad for lunch? I can't eat these 500 cals sandwiches here for snack, fruits, nuts, yoghurts are better for snacks..But, a nice sandwich with hot soup, or salad is nom nom. Or, maybe it really is just teachers, or sumfin.
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Old 22.03.2012, 15:10
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Old 22.03.2012, 15:17
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Not really, I was just trying to avoid any additional perceived negative connection with prolonged opening hours.
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Old 22.03.2012, 17:10
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Makes me curious - what sort of "impulse" things do you buy?

For myself, the more often I go to the store, or the more time I have to bop around while I'm there, the more likely I am to pick up "bad" things like chips and chocolate. So, in a way, the funky open times help aid with people generally being (perceived to be) more healthy here (physically and fiscally), as they're less likely to bulk up with empty calories, or over spend with useless crap.
See I feel the opposite. Back in the states there were plenty of times we were headed home from work (before I taught I often worked evening shifts) and even though I had food I planned to make for dinner, I would think "tacos sound better today than the spaghetti I planned to make. So I pop into the grocery store and buy 12 bucks worth of meat, cheese, tacos and the fixins. If the stores were closed, there is no impulse. You can't change your mind because everything is closed. I will concede though that people are less likely to work evening shifts here.
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Re: A Lunch Place Not Open AT LUNCH!!!!!!

Nothing wrong as such with eating sandwiches for lunch MC - it is just not the done thing around here. Main meal at lunch-time and yes, sanwiches, tartines, soup or a salad, eg a light meal, in the evening. Must say we do prefer having our main meal at lunch-time now that we can. OH had sanwiches on the run all his working life, and I am sure it was not good for him. I had sandwiches or lunch at the school canteen - then we ate our main meal between 7 or 8pm, and we were so starving by then that we ate too quickly often, and snacked during the day too. So 24 hour shopping = choice, in a way. But most here prefer the other choice, to have a main, family meal at lunch-time - with a short break afterwards to unwind. Having a good breakfast, a good lunch - and a light supper suits us much better. Like the proverb
Breakfast like an Emperor, lunch like a King and sup as a pauper' - much better for your health I'm sure. Obesity is practically unknown here - partly because of this, and because kids, families, enjoy walking and other sport at week-ends instead of 24/7 shopping (and NO Taco Bell on the way home..).

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Old 22.03.2012, 19:32
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Not really, I was just trying to avoid any additional perceived negative connection with prolonged opening hours.
lol <3

Okay, my main thing for pointing it out is that people do tend to make those snap (bad) judgments when they are stopping in after work or whatever instead of actually making a planned thing. So, yep, you do reap higher profits based on impulse buying, but it's not necessarily the best thing for people on the whole.

For me, I am lucky and really enjoy that my nearest Coop is open until 8pm as is the Aldi which is within an easy bus ride - so I have a quick trip solution for those "gosh, I don't have any milk for tomorrow" moments that happen sometimes right when I'm in the kitchen cooking dinner.

I well remember stopping off at the grocery on my way home from working at the mall, sometime between 9 and 10pm, deciding on the spot what I want to eat for dinner (and snagging something for dessert too) every day or every couple of days, rather than actually making a planned shopping trip at a more sensible and less rushed time. People who shop for the immediate meal (plus next day maybe) do tend to spend more, so yes, it is great for the profit margin of the shops - but by comparison to a planned weekly shop, it's a budget destroyer.

Same goes for picking up a quick sandwich at the deli (or in this case, bakery) - if you took the time to shop for sandwich ingredients along with your normal shop, and get bags to keep whatever side (chips, carrot sticks, whatever) you'll have with the sandwich, it is a lot more cost effective.


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Of course, the truth of the matter is that even though I have "all the time in the world", I hate to cook for just myself so am just as likely to have some quickly slapped together sandwich for whatever meal(s) I'm eating alone too.
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Old 22.03.2012, 19:45
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Re: A Lunch Place Not Open AT LUNCH!!!!!!

Coop gas stations are the best, seriously. I have one right next to my work, and it saves me, since not only they have the best salmon sandwiches on earth, they do quite a bit of healthy, nice stuff. Olives, good cheese, sun dried tomatoes, nice fresh bread, bunch of fruits, nuts, yoghurts. It's opened all the time and cheap. The usual packed lunches there are too processed, seeing them makes me run home and cook, cooking is so much nicer and cheaper, crisper, but everything else in there is so nice. The depanaire I have nearby me, is not worth the trip, they close at 8, are seriously overpriced, etc. The sandwicherie we have at the train station make incredibly tasty fish sandwiches, but sooo heavy, if you have one a day, you pack on a kilo a week. I tested. It's true that they are not so expensive but I don't really see anyone I know buying stuff there. Coop wins.
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Re: A Lunch Place Not Open AT LUNCH!!!!!!

Could somebody please tell that bakery staff that their decision to close their store at noon has generated next to 290 posts, most of them containing a lot of hot air?


Wait. Not even hot. Just luke-warm.
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See I feel the opposite. Back in the states there were plenty of times we were headed home from work (before I taught I often worked evening shifts) and even though I had food I planned to make for dinner, I would think &quot;tacos sound better today than the spaghetti I planned to make. So I pop into the grocery store and buy 12 bucks worth of meat, cheese, tacos and the fixins. If the stores were closed, there is no impulse. You can't change your mind because everything is closed. I will concede though that people are less likely to work evening shifts here.
Unless you threw the other food out, how does this increase overall consumption? You are substituting one days food with food you would have eaten a different day. Total consumption doesn't change.

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Could somebody please tell that bakery staff that their decision to close their store at noon has generated next to 290 posts, most of them containing a lot of hot air?


Wait. Not even hot. Just luke-warm.
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Well as I said, for one thing it's actually not in the interests of most shops to stay open from dawn to dusk because as we discovered in the UK (and I worked in retail management for around 9 years), when the shopping hours were 'liberalised' in the UK, and shops started opening for the first time on Sundays, and started staying open late into the evening rather than closing at 5 or 6, and not closing for lunch or having half days on Wednesdays.... their profits actually dropped.

Why? Because people don't spend more money in your shop just because you are open longer hours. No. They just do their normal shopping but go whenever they want, rather than whenever you are open. In the meantime, in order to ensure that you are always there to catch their now unpredictable shopping behaviour, you have to employ more staff and pay a higher electricity bill and a higher shop rental and higher wages for anti-social hours working, and replace equipment more regularly that has to kept on longer... need I go on?
Indeed. Industry wide longer opening hours will in the end increase profits, but only the stores with lower than average marginal costs, i.e. the big monsters, will profit in the long run, and only by cannibalising the market share of the small guys who's cost structure precludes them from competing long term. In the end it's the question whether big profits for the few big chains and the (on paper) macro economic benefits are worth the material and immaterial costs of killing off the small scale retail branch. I would say not, but opinions vary.

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That simply isn't true, as consumption is driven by impuls and therefore, the profit drops must be related to other factors. See, I was also in retail management and we've seen quite the opposite. More people will spend more money as you can always pop in whenever you want/need.
What matters is that the shops have the freedom to adapt their opening hours to their chances and are not bound by limits set by some authoritities. There is a nice shop near the Shamrock Pub. They originally were open from 07.30 to 18.30/19.00, but gradually changed to 10am to 10pm and now can profit from "evening shoppers" on their way. I do not believe in the 24hours per day opening hours (outside some central areas) but in the freedom of the shops to have open when demand is there.

People WILL spend more money in YOUR shop if you adapt your ways and your opening hours to apparent needs of YOUR customer base.
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lol <3

Okay, my main thing for pointing it out is that people do tend to make those snap (bad) judgments when they are stopping in after work or whatever instead of actually making a planned thing. So, yep, you do reap higher profits based on impulse buying, but it's not necessarily the best thing for people on the whole.
I think this is where the choice and freedom comes in. I LOVE drinking soda. I know the sugar is not good for, the calories and the coloring and artificial flavors, but it is my choice to do it even though it is not the best thing for me to drink. I think a real grey area gets drawn when laws (or other people) start dictating what is "good" for people. My good friend at work is a hangglider. It is his passion. Many people could argue that it is not "good" for him because it is a very high risk activity. But if you ban it, you start dictating how people should live and behave and that is a scary road to venture down.
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Unless you threw the other food out, how does this increase overall consumption? You are substituting one days food with food you would have eaten a different day. Total consumption doesn't change?
Sadly you make a great point. It can be wasteful to buy on impulse. Because unless everything you eat is non-perishable, you do end up tossing more stuff. You buy two fresh tomatoes for your Rosti, keep putting it off with impulse buys and then have to toss the tomatoes because they became overripe. Not saying that part of it is good, but it happens.
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Sadly you make a great point. It can be wasteful to buy on impulse. Because unless everything you eat is non-perishable, you do end up tossing more stuff. You buy two fresh tomatoes for your Rosti, keep putting it off with impulse buys and then have to toss the tomatoes because they became overripe. Not saying that part of it is good, but it happens.
Not in my house, we eventually eat everything, even over-ripe tomatoes and three year old moldy cheese!

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