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I love the attitude of some of the contributors to this thread that it is
perfectly reasonable and logical that a lunch place should not have to open at lunch time. After all "this is not America".

But just pop on over to the 6 weeks vacation thread and watch them all patting themselves on the back for thinking of the economy first and voting down such a ridiculous folly as more time off with the family. After all " this is not France".

Or maybe some contributors realise that if a single business is profitable enough then by all means it can afford to offer 364 days of holidays without being forced by the law... it's not like some businesses don't offer more than the legal minimum already. However as brilliantly shown by the French example, maybe taking that flexibility out of the equation and imposing the 6 weeks on everyone will then force the marginally profitable businesses below the profitability line...
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Re: A Lunch Place Not Open AT LUNCH!!!!!!

I think I should go for lunch on skislopes more often then. The home office scheme works well with lunch break opening times 12h00 till 14h00 without any major hiccups. Just sometimes too foggy to get to cantina
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Having come from the States and not having lived here long, I can understand your lack of appreciation for this kind of thing.
Oh, if only life were so black and white to oversimplify this into stereotypes of family-loving, traditional-valued Swiss and sociopathic, disorganised, money-focused Brits/Americans. Even within Switzerland there's huge differences of opinion: only 6% of over-65s want longer shop opening times, whereas 42% of younger people do (comparis.ch). And in the UK there is considerable opposition to this, for example.

The reason these opening times persist here and not elsewhere is that the shop owners here can still make enough profit to keep themselves happy without changing. Elsewhere, that hasn't been the case and the change has been forced by the need to stay afloat. There but for the grace of past economic fortune goes Switzerland.

There's a difference between demanding a DIY warehouse be open at 4am, or demanding a small business makes as much profit as possible, and on the other hand being surprised that a shop offering a service in particularly high demand at one time of day is not open at that time of day. It's unusual to see small businesses being able to have the choice to put lifestyle over profit.
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. Even within Switzerland there's huge differences of opinion: only 6% of over-65s want longer shop opening times, whereas 42% of younger people do (comparis.ch). And in the UK there is considerable opposition to this, for example.
42% of the people below age 26... because it's well-known that people between 15 and 26 have very strict work schedules and can't manage to get to the migros in time...
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Yes there is. Switzerland is driven by the worldwide market for banking secrecy

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Re: A Lunch Place Not Open AT LUNCH!!!!!!

If someone's made the great trek here across the pond from the land of the free (and 24hr. opening), I'm sure it's not for the benefit of their health and the pleasant views, but for financial gain (primarily) and possible better quality of living - and yet they are unable to lunch anywhere else other than a closed bakery-cum-sandwich shop.

This quaint quality of life for the indigenous natives, should also be respected.

If you haven't sussed it already, the Swiss wont, necessarily bend over backwards to kiss arse for the sake of their customers - they can go elsewhere if things don't suit.
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To be clear, this is a little bakery/ sandwich place with tables both inside and out. They don't wait on you, so it's counter service only. If you want the same lunchtime off as everyone else, that is fine by me. Just don't open a place that serves food for LUNCH. This is not dinner food, but sandwiches, paninis, slices of pizza etc. When the hell else would you eat that type of food? Dinner maybe??? WAIT....that can't be because the place closes at 16:30.........so this is a place that is CLOSED for 2 of the 3 meal times....why even open a place that serves food then?
In a little village like your Goldiwil, there are very few people who would ever eat a sandwich, panino etc. for LUNCH. Outside of the financial district those items are considered snacks between meals, for instance for hen circle gatherings, as mentioned by phdoofus, and for workers with a job that demands a bit more physical activity than sitting in front of a computer all day following the verbal battles on EF. Lunch is a proper meal, sort of, either at home, at a restaurant or out of the box.

What's more, even fewer people have to rush between two or more jobs to earn a living, so fast food still is mainly an option, not a necessity. Keeping such a little store open at noon may mean additional staff, which in turn generates new threads on EF covering the sky-high prices in this country.
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Yes there is. Switzerland is driven by the worldwide market for banking secrecy

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How much of my business is financed by banking secrecy? And how much of the little bakery in Goldiwil, BE?

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Same situation with the Volg (small grocery chain store) in my village. They open at 9 close at 5, so if you work 9-5, you CAN'T shop there. If you have a lunch break you are still SOL because it is closed from 12:00-2:30. Business are supposed to find the time segment that maximizes their profits. Small grocery stores do the best from 6-8 pm on weekdays because that is when people finish work and can go on the way home or back if they forgot something. If you are open the exact hours as everyone works, who can spend money at your business? I just will never get it I guess.
You know I was living in a small town before where I am now. And there, because I knew a great deal of my neighbors, I think it was a fair assumption that almost 50% of the spouses(most of them women), were stay at home Moms. And when living in a smaller town where there is no lunch time served in school, it makes it real hard to be paying a nanny to watch the kids every day, some afternoons with the kids at home all together.
I know my past kinderhort and nanny bills have amounted to my entire monthly check, and can see why there are stay at home spouses. And so on that note, I can easily understand why Volg is only open a basic 9 to 5 in small villages. If one of the spouses are fully taking care of the house hold duties, the shopping will probably easily get done. And dinner ready when the working spouse returns home in the evening.

Why is that logic so hard to understand? And why because the year is 2012, Swiss people have to lay down their way of working and business to be more like other western nations? I know that work brought some of you here, but doesn't anyone want to give their culture a try and see why for some reason it's been working for them all this time?
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Oh, c'mon, if it's a lunch place, doesn't serve breakfast and doesn't serve dinner AND it closes before 5pm and isn't a bakery...? I don't think you have to be American to think it's nuts to think that you should sneak out of the office at 11 to get your lunch before the lunch place closes at noon. Some traditions deserve to die in spite of all the nostalgia that folks cling to. It's not a business, it's a hobby.
Well if it is a bakery, that serves food that can be eaten at lunch, more then likely those people woke up at about 3am to start before 4am, to work until 12 noon. If it's family owned, as most seem to be. You think there is a problem with a business owner that gets up atleast 6 days a week at 3am, taking a break at noon? Or employ more people to sell some sandwiches that people can easily buy earlier?

I really still can't understand how the time it takes to buy a sandwich before work, is some how longer or more important then the time it takes to buy a sandwich after 12 midday?

I know the glorious business must take precedent over our lives, but if a business is profitable, and sustainable why must we continue to stress out just that bit more, for that bit more?
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Old 19.03.2012, 03:34
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Because anyone who worked 2 jobs (one 9-5 the other 6-2 or 12-8 depending on the week) would understand that late night shopping wasn't just something you just 'organized' around. I was young, living in a city, and far from alone. Research pay sucked and the organ vampire gig paid my rent and then some. Were I attempting that here, I'd simply never have a chance to buy food. Sure, you see all types in groceries after 10pm, but everyone has a story, not all of them due to largesse and slack. No, you're never going to see the volume late at night as you do on a Saturday morning, but that's also a draw for those who don't like shopping with everyone else all at the same time.



I have a child and I've not been out after 9pm in ages, but....I can still appreciate that choice and convenience is a good thing for so many of those who don't fit into the cookie-cutter lifestyle of the 9-5 crowd. I mean, hey, you can get shows on the TV nowadays 24/7....and not just reruns of Mayberry.

Also, I did a stint as a bartender...best job I ever had, really....why is working late at night entitled to higher pay? It's a job and usually the younger kids without family love the late hours since it's easy work and means you can hang out with your friends in the evening.
Speaking of the cookie cutter lifestyle...I only work the crazy hours. Because I am a service worker. I did it when I was younger, I do it now. Almost 20 years of it. In Switzerland you do get more if your work goes past midnight until something like 6am, although it really isn't that much.

But I will tell you having to work these kind of hours, instead of something more normal has wrecked havoc on my personal and family life. Chefs have got to be the most divorced of the labor force. Every one seems real impressed with meeting one(I don't mean me necessarily), but we turn into the most un reliable people outside of work. We have to work all the time when people go out, nights, weekends, holidays, busy seasons, early mornings. It seems like something one can do for a year or two in college, but as a career, structure is very hard.

The business is based on the customers, and if they don't want to go home, or want to get in before closing, or a special request, or longer hours, etc then we don't go home either. And our wives/husbands, nanny's, babysitters, kids, and whoever else we have made appointments with have to wait. And they will only wait so long.

I have always been the one to stay later for the customer. Or fill that special request, or come in early. Or come in on my day off. And so on. And once you do it, the customer feels you should eternally do it. Where the first time it was nice, now, if we want to make business we should be waiting on every whim, at any time.
It was my choice to do this kind of work, and cooking is my passion. But I can really sympathize with people who want to stay married, and live up to their responsibilities at home and in the community. And saying, these are "our" hours, and that's it really should be enough for people.

By the way bartenders always make excellent money in tips, so yeah staying late as a bartender did mean you got more, unless you had a poor personality of course.
People who work later SHOULD get more money as if you can get a baby sitter to stay or work in the dead of night, they want more money then working in the evening, so why should other people be any different? You want convenience, then you have to pay for it.
If you are willing to pay for it, then I think you should have the right to get it.
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In Zürich even in the 90ies
In general business in Zürich started to go THROUGHout the day in the 1980ies, but yes, I knew places which continued to close between 11/12am and 2pm into the 2000s. Typical is that such a place here ("lunch place" closed 11.00-15.00) disappeared and got replaced by the Pizza/Kebab place of my Armenian neighbour.

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In contrast, the Müller Reformhaus here at Schmiede Wiedikon had to reduced hours for staff and what did they do? They open later, missing all the people who buy the organic Pausenbrötli for z'9e and bread for the evening.
Now, they open at 09:30, when most people are already at work.
As a consequence, they have more left-overs which they have to sell for 20% and then 50% off the next day....

But I'm sure they did their homework and it evens out somehow.
Still, it bothers me - and I go to the competition sometimes...
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Probably completly OT, but did anyone watch the report on ARD about 7/24 day care in an American city (forgot which one)?
Parents drop and get their children at any time of the day.
They showed the schedule of some of the children. Put into bed at home at 8 pm, get up at midnight, drive to the day care, put in front of the tv, fall asleep in the night, get up at 8 am, go to school…
Ah, the benefits of the so praised 24 hour life…
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Having come from the States and not having lived here long, I can understand your lack of appreciation for this kind of thing. But believe me, if you had come in the 80's or before, you would view these kinds of shops as nostalgic leftovers of another time. Their days are counted. Not every business can or wants to do be the most convenient, highest profit making shop in town. Some people do it as a hobby or are just keeping it open until they retire.
Sure, I appreciate folks having hobbies or running a business to while away the time, but I'm not nostalgic about them. I try to patronize smaller shops, particularly bookstores, but I don't do it out of pity or trying to keep an ember of the past glowing, I do it because they have something I need, when I need it.
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In a little village like your Goldiwil...

...Keeping such a little store open at noon may mean additional staff, which in turn generates new threads on EF covering the sky-high prices in this country.
Although I am all for options, convenience, and choices, I am actually with the Captain here. I am sorry you were left without lunch, however, is that the only place available where you could get lunch? If one place is closed, I go somewhere else. Then again, I am not living in the schticks, but in the big village of Zurich, so plenty of options, sort of
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It's a small town bakery that's been doing business for years (probably a family business) but doesn't employ enough people to stay open during lunch. .....
We've got one of those in my town too. It's been in the same family for generations. As soon as the owners retire, the shop will close down and it will be the end of an era.
It may be a chicken-egg discussion, but a thriving business may actually find a successor paying for taking over the shop, thus beefing up the current owners' pension significantly.

I have no problem whatsoever with owners of small shops deciding when to open/close for business. However, I believe it is this exact same crowd which complains most about small family-owned businesses going down the drain.
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A friendly reminder to the OP: Get your sandwich now before the bakery closes for lunch.
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A friendly reminder to the OP: Get your sandwich now before the bakery closes for lunch.
Unless, of course, today is ruhetag, because they were open yesterday to catch the passing trade.
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