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Old 20.03.2012, 19:08
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Re: A Lunch Place Not Open AT LUNCH!!!!!!

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It use to horrible 5-7 yrs before. In last few yrs the situation has improved a lot. Now atleast there are many shops open in afternoon and in evening till 19:00-19:30hrs. I think soon Switzerland will also have 24*7 shops.
This is called progress..........it can happen and many people want it to.
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Old 20.03.2012, 19:34
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It use to horrible 5-7 yrs before. In last few yrs the situation has improved a lot. Now atleast there are many shops open in afternoon and in evening till 19:00-19:30hrs. I think soon Switzerland will also have 24*7 shops.
If things proceed the way they did since I was a kid (which was in the 1950s), the advent of widespread 24/7 opening hours in Switzerland will take place around 2118 A.D., give or take about six years. As long as there are unions in this country, stores open at night will be an absolute exception. It's a matter of power politics disguised as family values etc., not economy, demand or the like, let alone common sense.
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Old 20.03.2012, 19:57
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Re: A Lunch Place Not Open AT LUNCH!!!!!!

I do not want to join in the lamentation about opening hours but you have no idea how baffled I was after arriving in Switzerland to find that most restaurants were closed on Sundays. One night we kept driving around the area stopping at every restaurant, they were all closed. That has changed a little over the years, so there still is hope.
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Old 20.03.2012, 20:23
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Re: A Lunch Place Not Open AT LUNCH!!!!!!

To the OP... the "Lunch Place" you are complaining about clearly isn't a lunch place, otherwise it would be open at lunchtime - so what exactly is your complaint? I haven't read the whole thread because I have more important things on my mind right now but it appears that it is a bakery, and the owner of the bakery clearly wants to close at lunchtime to have lunch with his family. Good for him....

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I can see your f* point. I will not tell you to f* move away if you don't like it.

What I really f* wonder is why the f* expats who know to run a f* business and know how to do it better than the f* swiss don't open a f* business. As a f* owner of a f* business you are allowed to f* work whenever you f* like. And as you are f* better you will make a f* lot of f* money.

For f* sake.
And that I did Prof. I worked all hours, bent over backwards and offered as much of a service as I could for locals and expats. And now? I'm recovering from severe burnout in a clinic in the mountains. When, or if, I go back to selling cheese and bagels in Zurich I might decide one day to close at lunchtime, or shut up shop on Wednesday afternoon so I can put my feet up and enjoy my own lunch and life with my family. It will be my choice to make.

As far as I'm concerned, right now I've got a lot to learn from that Swiss baker.
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To the OP... the "Lunch Place" you are complaining about clearly isn't a lunch place, otherwise it would be open at lunchtime - so what exactly is your complaint? I haven't read the whole thread because I have more important things on my mind right now but it appears that it is a bakery, and the owner of the bakery clearly wants to close at lunchtime to have lunch with his family. Good .
Why the tables and chairs set outside and inside? This is my main issue. If you have tables and chair for people to sit down and eat at your establishment, then wouldn't you open when people have time to sit and eat? Who can sit and eat for and hour at 10:30? If you are strictly counter service, fine.....dump the tables and chairs then. People have two times during the day, generally, when they can sit at a place and eat. Dinner and lunch......this place is closed for both, so stop pretending you are a place to go and eat and just hand out your food and leave it at that.
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Re: A Lunch Place Not Open AT LUNCH!!!!!!

Well, even the Postshop closes between 12:00-14:00. Normally a perfect time to take care of banking things. Not possible, because its closed. I find that annoying sometimes.
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Why the tables and chairs set outside and inside? This is my main issue. If you have tables and chair for people to sit down and eat at your establishment, then wouldn't you open when people have time to sit and eat? Who can sit and eat for and hour at 10:30? If you are strictly counter service, fine.....dump the tables and chairs then. People have two times during the day, generally, when they can sit at a place and eat. Dinner and lunch......this place is closed for both, so stop pretending you are a place to go and eat and just hand out your food and leave it at that.
Wait until they start spreading manure on the fields nearby and leave the cows grazing outside overnight. Then you'll REALLY have something to complain about.
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Old 20.03.2012, 23:22
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I now truly believe my Swiss co-worker who always tells me that the Swiss revel in the art of inconvenience...
I'm actually amazed that a SWISS would admit that!

I'm still dumbfounded as to why the majority of Apothekes, in particular, close so early on Saturdays and aren't open on Sundays... as though people don't get sick on the weekends?

Life does not act according to protocol.
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Exactly - but what would be the business sense of keeping a bakery opened in an area where all the prospective customers are at home having lunch?? Just in case an ex-pat happens to have forgotten his sandwich once in a blue moon? It is a BAKERY, not a food place. The chairs are there for people to have morning coffee or afternoon tea with a pastry, and a good natter with friends, NOT for lunch. Are there no Cafés or restaurants, or FOOD PLACES IN THE AREA?

Our local shops are feeling the pinch due to being so close to the border. So they do adapt to needs, order special products if customers ask (best brown sugar ever. If they do not have a product I'd like to buy regularly, I talk to them instead of complaining on EF. And hey presto they'll ring me in a few days to say it's on order and will be here in 2 days. Or explain that they cannot get it for whatever reason), etc, open Sunday mornings and coordinate half-day closing with the shop in the next village. Our cheese shop lady has realised she has most customers when other shops are closed- Sunday, Bank hols, late evenings. They deliver to old people and invalids, provide a real service to the community- and always with a smile.
Plenty of signs here that shop keepers are adapting and using commercial and common sense. By the time the local shops go- I'll be fine and jump in the car to drive down the hill or along to France. Choice is not for the old, the frail or the invalids- see what is happening in the UK. 24hrs stores yes, but dead commuter villages with no post office, no shops, no butchers, no doctor's surgery, no chemist, no public transport, no nothing - hope CH will never become like that (and I say this as someone who loves England and lived there a very long time). And cities which have all become clones- same shops, same cafés, same restaurant, same everything, so sad.
Let's turn back a few pages hey... These bakery places with tables and chairs are called Tea-Rooms- and they do NOT serve lunch My last post here, it is beginning to do my head in.
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Old 20.03.2012, 23:29
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And that I did Prof. I worked all hours, bent over backwards and offered as much of a service as I could for locals and expats. And now? I'm recovering from severe burnout in a clinic in the mountains. When, or if, I go back to selling cheese and bagels in Zurich I might decide one day to close at lunchtime, or shut up shop on Wednesday afternoon so I can put my feet up and enjoy my own lunch and life with my family. It will be my choice to make.

As far as I'm concerned, right now I've got a lot to learn from that Swiss baker.
amen. coming from a place where i could get anything at any time i appreciate the schizophrenic shop hours because i like the fact that i can't get everything i need all the time. it taught me to relax and make do a bit, even though sometimes, i'm thinking F* i'm starving, stupid sandwich m**f*.

i have to say that i appreciate the fact that they don't give a crap- they know that their family lunch time or legs up with the wife is more important than your sandwich. as we say in new york, sucks for you but it's nice to know you can make that choice here and people still buy the damn sandwiches...
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Switzerland has a standout economy, and I think a lot can be learned about how it got to this place.. It interesting that no one seems to think banking secrecy contributes to this.. Wasnt it the banks, being filled with plunder, that kept CH, and its industry, out of any real harm during wars that decimated all of its neighbors...? Who needs to work a full day when your banks are full..

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NO, it was NOT the banks. Switzerland built up its industry throughout the 19th Century and both after WW-I and WW-II was THE country which was able to deliver goods on the basis of DIN (German industrial norms) for some years. Do not forget that in those times (until 31st December 1959) no direct payments were possible in international trade, as everything had to go through the clearing system. DURING the wars, Swiss industry was close to collapse and running at a very low speed. Why ? Because
A) imports were difficult
B) much things were rationed
C) a good part of the manpower was in the armed services
D) fuel was not allowed for private cars

ALL letters into and out of Switzerland (no airtraffic) was controlled by the Gestapo ! And Third World dictators were not yet in evidence

The banks full ? What exaxctly do you mean by that ? Do you as a normal citizen have access to the fortunes, deposited by and belonging to some foreigners ?

In fact, many people not only needed to work a full day but far more. My granddad out of overwork suffered a stroke in 1943 but survived, the granddad of my best schoolfiend also suffered a stroke in 1943 for the same reasons and died. My mum had in 1937/38 for a year been in Paris for a course in Haute Couture and had planned to continue her education in Vienna, Milano and London, but had to see her hopes crushed by the war. Granddad (the other one) saw his German friends either "disappear" or becoming Nazis during WW-II --- nice isnt'it ? He however managed to evacuate his favourite taylor out of Konstanz to Zürich as the man had the "wrong" religion. My Godfather was the SGS Surveillance chief in WWII Budapest and had to use the furniture of both home and office for heating ! The family of Mum had to experience the bombardment of Schaffhausen. True, no comparison to the continued bombardments of places like Friedrichshafen, but horrible enough.

WHAT DID help Switzerland in the late 1940ies and early 1950ies of course was, as I stated above, the fact, that most of the country was NOT bombed and that its DIN-norms based industry already in 1946 was able to DELIVER, to deliver via the clearance-systems (Verrechnungs-Stelle Genferstrasse Zürich 2 ). Dad was the official who handled the exports to Belgian Rwanda/Burundi, as Belgium was not in a position to deliver !
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I'm actually amazed that a SWISS would admit that!

I'm still dumbfounded as to why the majority of Apothekes, in particular, close so early on Saturdays and aren't open on Sundays... as though people don't get sick on the weekends?

Life does not act according to protocol.
That's why there are always a few open on Sundays, holidays, and at night.

They take turns, certainly no need for them ALL to be open!

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We improve as a society by questioning the status quo.
So here is a collection of a society questioning the status quo (sorry, in German). Most of it are democratic votes. And there are a few examples where they tried to open for longer hours but stepped back after they saw that there is no profit.

And you will still not get your sandwich after noon, ask the baker why. He knows best.

Zusammenstellung der politischen Auseinandersetzungen um die Ladenöffnungszeiten (LöZ) seit Mitte der 90er Jahre



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Politische Auseinandersetzungen

Aargau


  • 1996: Ablehnung des Ladenschlussgesetzes an der Urne. Regelung wie bisher (bis 19 Uhr). Gemeinderat kann längere Öffnungszeiten bewilligen, wenn öffentliches Bedürfnis besteht.
  • 24.11.2002: Annahme des Gesetzes über die Aufgabenteilung zwischen Kanton und Gemeinden. Seit 1.1.2003 in Kraft.
Basel Stadt
  • 1997: Annahme des neuen Ladenschlussgesetzes, welches 1 Abendverkauf pro Woche an Abschluss eines GAV knüpft.
  • März 1998: Vereinbarung für einen Abendverkauf zwischen BVB und Gewerkschaften.
  • April 2002: Neuer GAV Abendverkauf abgeschlossen. Dadurch Verlängerung der Vereinbarung von März 98.
  • Sept. 2002: Ablehnung der Verlängerung der LöZ an der Urne (57,2% Nein-Stimmen).
Basel Land
  • Juni 1997: Ersatzlose Streichung des Ladenschlussgesetzes an der Urne.
  • In Pratteln nutzen grosse Geschäfte wie IKEA die Streichung des Ladenschlussgesetzes, um die Ladenöffnung abends bis 22 Uhr auszudehnen. In der Zwischenzeit sind diese Geschäfte aufgrund mangelnden Interesses der Kund/innen auf ihren Entscheid zurückgekommen und haben den Ladenschluss in zwei Schritten auf heute 20 Uhr festgelegt.
Bern
  • 1999: Ablehnung der Motion Bommeli (verlangt die Aufhebung der LöZ oder konsequente Liberalisierung: 5-22h werktags, sa bis 20h) im Grossen Rat. unia-VHTL-Petition mit über 1'000 Unterschriften
  • Sonntagsverkäufe 2002: Bundesgericht erinnert, dass Bewilligung nur bei vorhandenem besonderen Bedürfnis erteilt werden darf.
  • Expo.02: Die Berner Regierung will ursprünglich den ganzen Kanton zur touristischen Region erklären und damit den Läden gestatten, unter der Woche bis spät abends und sonntags Personal zu beschäftigen. Dank Protestkundgebungen des Verkaufspersonals und einer von über 5'000 Kund/innen innerhalb einer Woche unterschriebenen Petition krebst die Regierung zurück. Doch auch der Entscheid, die Verlängerung der Ladenöffnungszeiten während der Expo auf Biel und Umgebung und den Berner Jura zu beschränken, erweist sich als Flop: Aufgrund des fehlenden Kund/innen-Bedürfnisses machen die Geschäfte nach wenigen Wochen keinen Gebrauch mehr von der Möglichkeit zur Verlängerung.
Freiburg
  • 1996: Keine Deregulierung der LöZ, keine Sonntagsverkäufe. Gesetzesvorlage an der Urne mit 78% der Stimmen abgelehnt.
  • 2001: Grossrat lehnt FDP-Motion für längere LöZ (sa bis 17h) mit grossem Mehr ab
  • 2002: Referendum mit mehr als 10'000 Unterschriften gegen das durch den Grossen Rat verabschiedete neue Handelsgesetz (werktags bis 21h und sonntags und an Feiertagen bis 19h für Läden bis zu 100m2)
  • Expo.02: Trotz Bestrebungen zur Verlängerung der Ladenöffnungszeiten bleibt es weitgehend beim status quo. Lediglich in den beiden kleinen Gemeinden Meyriez und Muntelier gibt es eine vorübergehende Angleichung an den touristischen Nachbar Murten, wo Abend- und Sonntagsverkäufe gestattet sind.
  • 2003: Revision Gewerbegesetz in Volksabstimmung abgelehnt. Das neue Gesetz hätte kleinen Läden und Tankstellenshops Öffnungszeiten von mo-sa zwischen 06-21 Uhr erlaubt.
Genf
  • Ab 1997 Vereinbarung zwischen Sozialpartnern bis zur Verabschiedung des neuen Ladenschlussgesetzes: mo, di, mi bis 18.45h, do bis 20h, fr bis 18.45h sa bis 17h für non-food und 18h für food.
  • September 2002: „loi modifiant la loi sur les heures de fermeture des magasins“, welche an allgemeinverbindlichen GAV (Convention collective cadre im Detailhandel und non-food) gekoppelt ist; mit 60,1 % Ja-Stimmen an der Urne angenommen.
Glarus
  • 1996: Neues Ladenschlussgesetz (1 Abendverkauf bis 21 Uhr pro Woche)
Graubünden
  • März 1998: Ablehnung der Liberalisierung der Ladenöffnungszeiten.
  • März 2000: Annahme neuer LöZ in der Stadt Chur (abends bis 20h, 2 Sonntage pro Jahr). Faktisch werden aber mangels Interesse der Kund/innen nur einzelne Geschäften bis abends um 19 Uhr geöffnet.
Jura
  • 2000: In Delémont neu Abendverkauf für jene Läden, die dem neuen GAV unterstellt sind.
  • Expo.02: Der Kanton Jura verzichtet gänzlich auf die Verlängerung der Ladenöffnungszeiten während der Expo, nachdem er zur Einsicht gekommen ist, dass weder die Bevölkerung noch das Verkaufspersonal noch die Gewerbetreibenden dafür sind.
Luzern
  • 1.6.1997: Neues Ruhetags- und Ladenschlussgesetz angenommen (werktags bis 18.30 Uhr, zwei Abendverkäufe pro Woche bis 21 Uhr).
Neuchâtel
  • 1998: Conseil D’Etat lehnt 2 Sonntagsverkäufe vor Weihnachten ab (Keine Bewilligung!).
  • Expo.02: Entgegen den ursprünglichen Plänen verzichtet die Neuenburger Regierung auf die Sonntagsverkäufe. Grund: der grosse Widerstand des Verkaufspersonals und der Bevölkerung, welche die Petition gegen die Ausdehnung der Ladenöffnungszeiten zahlreich unterschreibt. Selbst die bewilligten zusätzlichen Abendverkäufe werden nach wenigen Wochen Makulatur: Da die Kund/innen ausbleiben, verzichten die Ladenbesitzer auf die Durchführung.
St. Gallen
  • 1995: Verwerfung der Revision der Ladenöffnungsordnung.
  • 2002: Referendum gegen das vom Kantonsparlament verabschiedete Gesetz (8'500 Unterschriften statt den verlangten 4‘000).
  • 2003: Ablehnung des liberalisierten Ladenöffnungsgesetzes in der Volksabstimmung. Das Gesetz hätte die Öffnung aller Läden vom mo-fr zwischen 06-21 Uhr ermöglicht. Kleine Läden hätten von mo-so zwischen 05-23 Uhr verkaufen können. Unverändert sollte die Regelung für Samstag (06-17 Uhr ) und vier Sonntagsverkäufe im Jahr für alle Läden bleiben.
Schaffhausen
  • Juni 1999: Annahme des Gesetzes zu den LöZ.
  • Nachdem die Liberalisierung bis 23 Uhr beschlossen wurde, heute faktisch wieder zurück auf 1x Abendverkauf bis 20h pro Woche.
Solothurn
  • 1996: Vorlage zur totalen Liberalisierung der Ladenöffnungszeiten an der Urne mit über 60% Nein-Stimmen klar abgelehnt.
  • September 2002: Ablehnung der Liberalisierung der Ladenöffnungszeiten (56,7% Nein-Stimmen).
Tessin
  • 1996: Über 3000 Personen unterschreiben eine Petition, welche vom Staatsrat eine restriktive Politik bei der Bewilligung von Sonntags- und Feiertagsverkäufen verlangt. Das Verwaltungsgericht heisst den Rekurs gegen Sonntagsverkäufe in Chiasso, Mendrisio und Balerna gut.
  • 1998: 16'000 Personen (7'000 notwendig) unterschreiben das Referendum gegen das Gesetz zur Verlängerung der Ladenöffnungszeiten (an Werktagen bis 19 Uhr, do bis 21 Uhr, sa bis 18 Uhr).
  • 1999: 53% der StimmbürgerInnen lehnen das Gesetz zur Verlängerung der Ladenöffnungszeiten ab. Gegen das Gesetz hat sich eine breite Koalition bestehend aus Kund/innen, Verkaufspersonal und kleinen Quartierladen-Besitzern gewendet.
  • 2000: Das Verkaufspersonal sammelt 2'000 Unterschriften zuhanden der Volkswirtschafts-Direktion gegen den geplanten Sonntagsverkauf am 24. Dezember.
Thurgau
  • September 2002: Annahme der verlängerten Ladenöffnungszeiten (50,1% Ja-Stimmen, 99 Stimmen Unterschied!). mo-sa von 06-22 Uhr.
Uri
  • 2001: Ablehnung des neuen Gesetzes über den Ladenschluss und der Sonntagsruhe. Vorgesehen: werktags bis 18.30h, sa bis 17h. Sonntag bleibt Ruhetag.
  • 2003: neues Ladenschlussgesetz (LSG) wird angenommen.
Waadt
  • 1997: Foxtown Villeneuve, Keine Bewilligung für Sonntagsverkauf
  • 1997: Rundschreiben des Volkswirtschaftsdepartements, welches 2 x Sonntagsverkäufe ohne Gesuch bewilligt, wird aufgehoben.
  • 1998: 2 x Sonntagsverkäufe vor Weihnachten in Montreux: Ablehnung durch das Gericht
  • 1999: Winzerfest in Vevey: Gemeindeverwaltung lehnt Gesuch für die Beschäftigung von Verkaufspersonal an 3 Sonntagen im August ab nach Intervention der Gewerkschaften.
  • Expo.02: Die Stadt Yverdon verzichtet gänzlich auf Verlängerung der Ladenöffnungszeiten während der Expo wegen des grossen Widerstandes der Bevölkerung (2 Petitionen) und der Verkäufer/innen.
  • Juli 2002: in Lausanne und Morges Gesuch der grossen Warenhäuser für eine Verlängerung bis 18 Uhr am Samstag.
  • Januar 2003: Zwei Umfragen (in Lausanne und Morges) beim Verkaufspersonal: 90% sind gegen diese Verlängerung.
Wallis
  • Siders 2000: 2 x Sonntagsverkäufe vor Weihnachten abgelehnt (Migros)
  • 1.11.2002: Gesetz betreffend Ladenöffnung (Gemeinden sind für den Vollzug zuständig) im Kantonsparlament angenommen. Durch Sozialabkommen flankiert, welches Normalarbeitsvertrag (nicht verbindlich) vorsieht.
Zürich
  • 2000: Annahme des neuen kantonalen Ruhetags- und Ladenöffnungsgesetzes (Öffnung von mo-sa ohne zeitliche Beschränkung und Sonntagsverkauf in Zentren des öffentlichen Verkehrs).
  • 2002: Bewilligungspflicht für Sonntagsverkäufe im Hauptbahnhof (Bundesgerichts-Urteil)
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  • 1997: Stimmbevölkerung gegen Ausweitung der Ladenöffnungszeiten
  • 2002: Ablehnung von verlängerten Ladenöffnungszeiten(54,5,% Nein-Stimmen)
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NO, it was NOT the banks. Switzerland built up its industry throughout the 19th Century and both after WW-I and WW-II was THE country which was able to deliver goods on the basis of DIN (German industrial norms) for some years.


WHAT DID help Switzerland in the late 1940ies and early 1950ies of course was, as I stated above, the fact, that most of the country was NOT bombed and that its DIN-norms based industry already in 1946 was able to DELIVER, to deliver via the clearance-systems (Verrechnungs-Stelle Genferstrasse Zürich 2 ). Dad was the official who handled the exports to Belgian Rwanda/Burundi, as Belgium was not in a position to deliver !
To be brief, this country had a significant advantage by its neutrality,and by offering its banking services to both ally and axis forces. Switzerland was able to exchange money for plundered gold, and also able to produce supplies during wartime, while everyone else in Europe clung to a prayer. The money in the banks and the fact they werent bombed gave Switzerland a definite advantage over the rest of Europe and maybe the world after the war. Again, this is a topic for another post..


Im all for people running their business the way they want, even if it inconveniences and alienates every customer. This is true freedom, and the reason why so many have died to preserve it. I dont want anyone telling me how to run my business, so why complain about someones lunchtime hours.. just go somewhere else.
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When I was growing up in the UK, shops shut at lunchtimes, and all day Sunday. Most also had a half day on Wednesday. It's how things were. No one starved, and I don't remember anyone complaining.

In the Swiss town where I work now, almost all the shops, including the food shops are closed over lunchtime. The closest one shuts at 12:30, so we all troop out between 12 and 12:30 to buy our salads and sandwiches. It's really no big deal to us, and the very nice family who run the little shop have their lunch break together.

In the UK and US these days, many bemoan the negative fallout from excessive consumerism. They say it's turned us into a nation of petulant complainers when we don't get exactly what we want and when we want it (invariably NOW).

Someone might have already made this obvious point (sorry, haven't had time to read it all) but if there was a compelling business reason to open longer hours, surely they would be doing it? They probably know what the UK retailers and their staff discovered the hard way -- that opening longer hours doesn't increase your turnover. You do the same business that you always did, but you have to stay open longer, hire more staff and pay higher running costs.

Some people accuse Switzerland of being backward and anti-customer. For what it's worth, I think shutting in the middle of the day, and on Sunday, and helping to preserve the family life of retailers and their staff, is actually rather civilised.

Finally, I wish people would stop complaining that Switzerland isn't the US and isn't the UK. We all know that. If it was too much like either of those very fine nations, Switzerland wouldn't be Switzerland.
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Perhaps the complaints - no, complaint is far too strong a word, bemusement or befuddlement is more appropriate - stem from the fact that many folks, despite living here, don't have a chance to partake of the legendary Swiss 'family values' lifestyle.

Lots of folk here work 60, 80, 100 hour weeks. Many work schedules skewed to the Asian or US work day - or both. One is on-call 24/7, expected to be reachable and responsible at all times, holidays included. Many in these postions were brought here because the Swiss can't, or won't, take on the responsibility needed. Tough job, but somebody's gotta do it.

For those who work normal 40 hour weeks (or less, which actually seems to be the norm), for those who have someone else to take care of the details, the Swiss Way works just fine. But we don't all have the luxury of the idyllic slow Swiss pace - and for those in such circumstances, it can indeed be something of a struggle, especially when one is new here.

Most of us oldtimers have come to accept the things we cannot change, and have been here long enough to find alternatives. But a little empathy for the newbies wouldn't go amiss; when you are struggling to come to grips with a society where you are a square peg in a round hole, finding that what you thought was a lunch place is closed over lunch - or that there is no brown sugar - is just one of those 'Switzerlanded!' moments. We've all had 'em.

Eventually one learns to laugh, and finds the kebab stand around the corner.
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That's why there are always a few open on Sundays, holidays, and at night.

They take turns, certainly no need for them ALL to be open!

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Yeah, in ZH maybe, however in other parts of Switzerland you are forced to go to the emergency room for something banal as cough syrup because none of them are open. A very advanced place I tell ya...must be the high quality of life people keep talking about. Mind you, I can get cought syrup at most gas stations of third world countries, however here in this kingdom of bliss and pink shades, one is only able to purchase cough syrup from a pharmacy, because no other entity other than a pharmacy is allowed to sell you pharmaceuticals (except doctors and hospitals).
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Yeah, in ZH maybe, however in other parts of Switzerland you are forced to go to the emergency room for something banal as cough syrup because none of them are open. A very advanced place I tell ya...must be the high quality of life people keep talking about. Mind you, I can get cought syrup at most gas stations of third world countries, however here in this kingdom of bliss and pink shades, one is only able to purchase cough syrup from a pharmacy, because no other entity other than a pharmacy is allowed to sell you pharmaceuticals (except doctors and hospitals).
Either do something about it, like agitate for change through the democratic system -- or accept that this is the way they do things here, and organise your life to take it into account.

A simple example of how to do this -- whenever I'm back in the UK or in Germany, I buy a few basic medicines and stash them here. I probably have enough to open a small pharmacy of my own. It seemed like the obvious solution.

Would I prefer to be able to buy cough medicine at a gas station here? Um, yeah, I guess so -- I hadn't really thought about it. What I did was what most people do -- I discovered the ups and downs of daily Swiss life, and made arrangements to deal with it. No crisis, no chest-beating and weeping on internet forums.

With the appalling lunchtime sandwich crisis discussed over so many pages, well, after many months of analysis, employing the best brains I could gather from a number of leading universities, I came up with the solution -- I buy my sandwich when the shop is open rather than wail about the times it is not open.

Sometimes the simple answers are the best.
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Either do something about it, like agitate for change through the democratic system -- or accept that this is the way they do things here, and organise your life to take it into account.
Or, as the receptionist at my doctor's office once said to me:

"There is a three month wait for an appointment; one should schedule one's illnesses accordingly."

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Or, as the receptionist at my doctor's office once said to me:

"There is a three month wait for an appointment; one should schedule one's illnesses accordingly."

There's even a waiting list at most local crematoriums, because so many people are dying to get in.
That's why every 1st August many Gemeindes have a huge bonfire to clear the backlog, and start afresh.
When it's a hot dry summer and fires are veboten, they blame the stench on the farmers mucking the fields.
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