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Old 20.03.2012, 17:22
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That's the ticket machine I kept encountering starting with the tram station at the airport, to 3 different tram stations around the university and finally Altstetten and Dubendorf-Giessen stations.
And at none of them you bought a ticket or take the time to find somebody who could offer help?

Note that the airport probably has the best chance for anybody to find a working automat that can provide tickets to a person, especially also as there are manned booths when you go safely inside.

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I was there around 9pm so the ticket office might have been long closed and the train ticket machine, which I'm sure was there somewhere, I failed to spot.
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The station looked almost exactly like this photo, taken at Alstetten station:
At 9 pm it is dark outside, your picture is not, but that is not odd as that picture is from the match played on 2 January 2012 (according to blick that is), bit odd that you only come and complain nearly three months after it happened (which is why most people here likely did not even recall that it happened)

That picture comes from http://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/zue...t-id21880.html

So, where are the pictures that you took? Because those would be interesting to see from the thing that happened to you and your exact situation, not something that is properly documented.

Also, still, if you steer clear off the hooligans and walk normally, I cannot see why the cops, even if they are aggressive towards the hooligans would deny you from the ability of buying a ticket.

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Someone said that the fine clearly states where to go to appeal it, but I doubt that office would be open at 10pm on Saturday evening and I did have a flight out of the country on Sunday early in the morning, so it's not like these options are available unless you have the energy and time to argue your case
You can even call them up and send them email. Details are on the fine and otherwise also on the website in more words.

See amongst others google(sbb fine) second hit:
https://www.sbb.ch/en/station-servic...-a-ticket.html

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Anyway, I have resigned the fact that I was there the wrong weekend at the wrong station, at the wrong time rather than the wrong city altogether and I have been extremely unlucky with all of this.
You definitely where in the wrong spot at the wrong time if you happened to have come to the event that happened in the article.

Still, if you had a return ticket from the location where you came from, you would not have had a need to buy a ticket and you would not have been fined. Also, be happy that the police force was there to make the annoyance of the hooligans quite a bit less. (although I do agree, certain amounts of show of force tend to be rather intimidating, but in that case one can always completely avoid the area too or ask what to do to people who are not involved in it)
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Old 20.03.2012, 17:35
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At 9 pm it is dark outside, your picture is not, but that is not odd as that picture is from the match played on 2 January 2012 (according to blick that is), bit odd that you only come and complain nearly three months after it happened (which is why most people here likely did not even recall that it happened)
Obviously Blick stole the pictures from the BBC then.

But, to be fair, the OP never actually claimed to have taken those pictures him/herself.
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Old 20.03.2012, 17:38
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Obviously Blick stole the pictures from the BBC then.

But, to be fair, the OP never actually claimed to have taken those pictures him/herself.
Well the pix are from Keystone, thus they could use them too if they license them.

But to add, at 21:00 (aka 9PM) on that day (2nd of January 2012) it was sunset at 16:46 according to http://www.timeanddate.com/worldcloc...&afl=-11&day=1 thus it must have been really dark by then already. Thus that picture cannot match what he has seen and likely was not during that day.

Of course, it could have been darker during the one he saw and that there where a lot of police present, but likely not as much as during that event which indeed went quite much south.
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Re: Transport system annoyed me big time!

a lot of desperation to discredit me although I never said the photo was mine, it's from Altstetten on a similar incident. I have my own photos though and I am not sure I should upload any of them here. I have a very nice photo of the thing that I call a "flamethrower". It's this thing here:


My friend who I visited in Altstetten later told me that they are firing fake bullets that are not meant to harm but to cause excruciating pain and he had been a victim of one once when he was passing by the station.
The police around 9pm weren't just standing there, they were actively forming phallanxes, hoarding off crowds and yelled at people so it wasn't a happy merry occasion like some of you assume.

I have tickets from all my rides, except of course when I was driven by car, or when I had to walk in lack of change. This is proof that I'm happy to produce to ZVV and not the discreditors on here.

Putting effort in invalidating the story will not fix the problem y'all.
Anyway as far as I'm concerned I did write to them a very polite message describing the incident exactly as it happened and I'm very curious of their response. Hope they are not blindly rule obsessed like some peers on here
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Re: Transport system annoyed me big time!

before the dogs go barking again, this photo isn't mine either
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Old 20.03.2012, 18:25
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Hope they are not blindly rule obsessed like some peers on here
These would be the people who told you to write to them and try and get the fine reduced/removed. So you ended up following the rules exactly as you were told to (and was even printed on the back of your fine).
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These would be the people who told you to write to them and try and get the fine reduced/removed. So you ended up following the rules exactly as you were told to (and was even printed on the back of your fine).
Didn't mean you or anyone else who gave constructive suggestions to help me, Adrian. I said "some" referring to the haters.

I wrote directly to ZVV from their website. I am not sure if the generic contact form is more likely to be sidelooked, so I'll check the fine and see if I can contact a complaints department directly.
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Old 20.03.2012, 18:47
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Re: Transport system annoyed me big time!

*cough*

Flamethrower my arse

*cough*

Baton gun

Shodding reporting from the Local BBC Ex-BBC journalist cleaner.

Generally, people who hang about around riot police and end up being shot with a rubber bullet aren't there making polite conversation, sipping a cup of Darjeeling and musing over the latest cricket team selection.

Generally, and I do mean to stereotype here, they are annoying oafs who would be best advised to spend their copious amounts of free time pursuing gainful employment rather then indulging in the full range of illicit chemicals that are available.
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*cough*

Flamethrower my arse

*cough*

Baton gun

Shodding reporting from the Local BBC Ex-BBC journalist cleaner
I actually find it amusing that you know what that thing is, you must have had a lot of encounters with it, living in Zurich and all
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Old 20.03.2012, 18:56
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I actually find it amusing that you know what that thing is, you must have had a lot of encounters with it, living in Zurich and all
I guess those UK riots completely slipped your mind? Plenty of footage available online illustrating the use of said Baton guns.

You'd have got really "disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" if you witnessed the "peaceful" May-day march a few years back. In no way did the police herd the protesters down a street towards the water cannons. Blocking them in. And then unleashing the cannons.

Good job you weren't arrested. Swiss police stations are known for having very slippery staircases.
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Old 20.03.2012, 18:58
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Shodding reporting from the Local BBC Ex-BBC journalist cleaner.
Or one of the people the BBC employs to harrass good law abiding (ahem cough) folks.

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I guess those UK riots completely slipped your mind? Plenty of footage available online illustrating the use of said Baton guns.

You'd have got really "disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" if you witnessed the "peaceful" May-day march a few years back. In no way did the police herd the protesters down a street towards the water cannons. Blocking them in. And then unleashing the cannons.

Good job you weren't arrested. Swiss police stations are known for having very slippery staircases.
And yet if a Swiss tourist found themselves in Tottenham during the riots and had a bad experience as a result of it, they'd have my complete and utter sympathies, not my lashing. Are you deliberately going out of your way to paint an unfriendly face for your city?
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Or one of the people the BBC employs to harrass good law abiding (ahem cough) folks.

Yes I do that job as well, when I'm not producing sub standard journalism or perform as an exotic dancer at the Brazilian coco banana club
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Generally, people who hang about around riot police and end up being shot with a rubber bullet aren't there making polite conversation, sipping a cup of Darjeeling and musing over the latest cricket team selection.
Hmm, you say that, but as I said before I know several people who have been hit by batons and rubber bullets in Switzerland just because they were unlucky enough to turn a corner into a crowd on matchday.

Last time I was in Zurich, I was just about to get off the tram when I noticed the baton guys heading in from one side and a load of FC Basel supporters coming from the other. I suddenly decided to stay on for a couple more stops and come back later in the day
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Hmm, you say that, but as I said before I know several people who have been hit by batons and rubber bullets in Switzerland just because they were unlucky enough to turn a corner into a crowd on matchday.

Last time I was in Zurich, I was just about to get off the tram when I noticed the baton guys heading in from one side and a load of FC Basel supporters coming from the other. I suddenly decided to stay on for a couple more stops and come back later in the day
My friend who lives near the station there told me afterwards that he had also been hit by orphan bullets and is therefore now avoiding the station during those days, but unfortunately he didn't know there would be a match that day when he invited me over!
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And yet if a Swiss tourist found themselves in Tottenham during the riots and had a bad experience as a result of it, they'd have my complete and utter sympathies, not my lashing. Are you deliberately going out of your way to paint an unfriendly face for your city?
What is your problem? Most people on here are not Swiss. We defend the city of Zurich and you, a Brit have a wobbly. Now I suggest before you totally make a complete ass of yourself, you think exactly how most Brits, never mind anyone else are treated on public transport there. Now when you have done that, come back and say sorry to Zurich
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What is your problem? Most people on here are not Swiss. We defend the city of Zurich and you, a Brit have a wobbly. Now I suggest before you totally make a complete ass of yourself, you think exactly how most Brits, never mind anyone else are treated on public transport there. Now when you have done that, come back and say sorry to Zurich
Right, now I'm a Brit too. You base all your arguments (and mostly lashing) on a string of false assumptions and then worry that it is ME that go embarrassing myself.
Reread this thread and you'll see that I've only ever expressed facts and I got a stream of crap in return. Sort yourself out mate.

And don't get me started on your attempt of stereotyping which is truly the lowest of the low...
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Right, now I'm a Brit too. You base all your arguments (and mostly lashing) on a string of false assumptions and then worry that it is ME that go embarrassing myself.
Reread this thread and you'll see that I've only ever expressed facts and I got a stream of crap in return. Sort yourself out mate.

And don't get me started on your attempt of stereotyping which is truly the lowest of the low...
Facts? Such as? riot police at a railway station in broad daylight at 10pm? You were caught dodging fares, so either pay up or at least come out with a better defence!
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Old 20.03.2012, 20:17
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Facts? Such as? riot police at a railway station in broad daylight at 10pm? You were caught dodging fares, so either pay up or at least come out with a better defence!
Guys, let's just take a step back here.

I understand that some of the things nkomp18 has posted here have wound people up (including myself), and that maybe in hindsight nkomp18 could have found a better way of expressing them. But on the other hand, it's all too easy to jump to assumptions about somebody you don't know. So please consider that some of the misunderstandings may have been genuine and find a more amicable tone to discuss them. Peace and brotherhood.
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I actually find it amusing that you know what that thing is, you must have had a lot of encounters with it, living in Zurich and all
You truly are ignorant if you thought that was a flamethrower... seriously.

And re taking the photo, if you post something without clearly stating the source is not yours - given the content of this thread and your claims to have photos - it is absolutely expected that this was meant to be related.

Seriously "a lot of desperation to discredit me although I never said the photo was mine...". No you've done that pretty much all on your own.

Your "facts" have been shown to hold no credibility.
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