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Old 22.03.2012, 13:28
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so mi go so then:

is it only my lack of talent in tight maneuvering, or has all swiss architects missed that lecture at school when they taught about designing a parking lot? most parking lots, especially closed ones have difficult entrance/exits? why would they make them so narrow, and most of the time not angled properly to the road that leads to them? don't they realize that having a 90 degree turn to exit might require more space to turn into it? or, are the drivers supposed to drive on an exact line calculated with some simulation for vehicles of certain length? is there a conspiracy about having to scratch rims on the raised sidewalks at the turns?!?!?

hmm, maybe i just need to have lunch, and i'll feel better...
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Old 22.03.2012, 13:32
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Re: parking lot maneuvers

They are designed for an average family car (Golf) - anything bigger, longer, wider, higher or with a poorer turning circle will struggle.

The worst I found was the NCP on West India Quay in London - which was horrific - and took 3 wheels on one of my cars
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Old 22.03.2012, 13:36
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Re: parking lot maneuvers

French car parks seem to be even more poorly designed than Swiss ones, because French car parks assume that no one drives a car bigger than a Clio. I once got stuck in a car park at our ski chalet because it was physically impossible to get my car around the turn in the space allowed. In the end, I had to reverse out.

From what might be my favourite segment of Top Gear of all time:



But I agree with you, the Swiss like to litter their car parks with pillars, posts, and very sharp corners, and maximize space by having bays that are only 2.5m wide, leaving you very little space to get out and ensuring that the old geezer next to you opens his door right into the side of your car.
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Old 22.03.2012, 14:06
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Re: parking lot maneuvers

If you have trouble in Switzerland, don't go to Germany, or France, or Italy, or... you get the picture
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Old 22.03.2012, 14:09
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Re: parking lot maneuvers

I always find that Aldi have rather generous parking spaces. I think that's why Mrs. G. likes to shop there.






Please don't tell her I said that...
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Old 22.03.2012, 14:11
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Re: parking lot maneuvers

when the org. I work for rebuilt the building I'm in a few years ago they told us the car park would not be suitable for large cars.

I at the time was driving a VW Passat and was told that qualified as a large car ... I've never been in this car park but I have to imagine it's filled only with Mini's and Fiat 500's






*phoning mrs. G*
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Old 22.03.2012, 14:17
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If you have trouble in Switzerland, don't go to Germany, or France, or Italy, or... you get the picture
i've driven to those, but i guess, living in switzerland, i have more memory of swiss parks

i literally got stuck in a coop a couple of weeks back, which had a tight helical entrance. trying to not go very close to the right side to avoid crashing the door, my tyre got stuck with the little sidewalk at the left side. couldn't move forward, and couldn't push it as rubber smell started coming. and it is not to easiest to back up in such a setting, having almost no visibility with a high raising angle. finally managed, with some scratches on the tyres and a lot of bad karma against the designers of the building ;-)
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Old 22.03.2012, 14:26
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Re: parking lot maneuvers

he he - I don't remember having those problems whilst parking in Switzerland.

You should try parking in Malta! I have a car parking space in the car park underneath my apartment block, the entrance to which being incredibly narrow and difficult to negotiate, from an already narrow street. There is then a very steep and bumpy drive down to the car park, which always scrapes the bottom of my car. Once inside, there is little or no lighting and to get into my personal space takes at least six manoeuvres. Then, having eventually got into my space, there is about one foot between the passenger side and the wall and barely enough room for me to open my door on the other.
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Old 22.03.2012, 14:49
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I've never been in this car park but I have to imagine it's filled only with Mini's and Fiat 500's
I sincerely hope you're not Mini-bashing.... or at least that it's restricted to the new ones.

I happen to know an architect who put an extra, totally un-necessary pillar, into the underground car park of a famous car manufacturer's new showroom just because it bought the count up to his lucky number.
And yes, it's in Switzerland.
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Old 22.03.2012, 14:56
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I sincerely hope you're not Mini-bashing.... or at least that it's restricted to the new ones.

I happen to know an architect who put an extra, totally un-necessary pillar, into the underground car park of a famous car manufacturer's new showroom just because it bought the count up to his lucky number.
And yes, it's in Switzerland.
heck no, I love mini's.. I was complaining about the size of the parking.. who ever thought that a passat would be considered a large car.


ohh.. there was another underground car park where we rented some space over in Divonne ( don't ask ) there was a turn and a steep drive up to street level... you pretty much had to gun the engine and pray there was no one standing at the entrance above.
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so mi go so then:

is it only my lack of talent in tight maneuvering, or has all swiss architects missed that lecture at school when they taught about designing a parking lot? most parking lots, especially closed ones have difficult entrance/exits? why would they make them so narrow, and most of the time not angled properly to the road that leads to them? don't they realize that having a 90 degree turn to exit might require more space to turn into it? or, are the drivers supposed to drive on an exact line calculated with some simulation for vehicles of certain length? is there a conspiracy about having to scratch rims on the raised sidewalks at the turns?!?!?

hmm, maybe i just need to have lunch, and i'll feel better...
So what are you driving? A GL-class or a Hummer?
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Old 22.03.2012, 15:04
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Re: parking lot maneuvers

Husband parks my Mini in Carouge every day next to one of those new 4x4 Volvo things. It's the size of an ocean-going liner.
He's often wondered how the bloke gets it in and out of the car park as there's quite a sharp curve to the ramp. Just hope that when it does get stuck, and he's sure it's only a matter of time, we're not stuck behind him!
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So what are you driving? A GL-class or a Hummer?
hmm, it is an Alfa Giulietta... so, not really a big car; but combination of my lack of maneuvering talent with fear of scratching an Alfa exaggerates the narrowness of the parking spaces ;-)
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Re: parking lot maneuvers

Now come on you guys, how many of you can reverse park into small places without making a total fool of yourself?

Dearest Anjela - you are really letting the side down. Your husband parks YOUR mini for you?

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Now come on you guys, how many of you can reverse park into small places without making a total fool of yourself?
Depends on using park distance control
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Old 22.03.2012, 15:25
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Old 22.03.2012, 16:00
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Re: parking lot maneuvers

Switzerland has very wide and good maneuverable car parks - Compared to Spain.
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Re: parking lot maneuvers

To the OP:

1) You can't park
2) You deserve SOME sympathy. Modern FWD cars have hopelessly long noses protruding ahead of the front wheels. Ofter with champfered corners. Unless you are front mounted park-distance-control (and with modern driving positions) you can see naff all**

Anyway, to lighten the mood - a joke:
A husband and wife are looking for a parking spot in a supermarket car park. They turn into a aisle only to work while a man reverses into a parking space.

The wife turns to the husband and says "Why is it men insist on doing that?"

To which the husband replies "Because they can"



** The new Volvo V70 is a classic example of this.
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To the OP:

1) You can't park
2) You deserve SOME sympathy. Modern FWD cars have hopelessly long noses protruding ahead of the front wheels. Ofter with champfered corners. Unless you are front mounted park-distance-control (and with modern driving positions) you can see naff all**

Anyway, to lighten the mood - a joke:
A husband and wife are looking for a parking spot in a supermarket car park. They turn into a aisle only to work while a man reverses into a parking space.

The wife turns to the husband and says "Why is it men insist on doing that?"

To which the husband replies "Because they can"



** The new Volvo V70 is a classic example of this.



true, the G has a big turning curve. it is relatively easy to maneuver backwards.. with the help of PDC... and visibility is a problem.
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