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Boxing for 5th graders?

Today my son came home with a bloody nose. He is in fifth grade and they had boxing during his physical education class. He told me "It's no big deal. It's my fault, I did not protect myself very well".

BOXING?!?!??!!

The goal of a boxer is to inflict a concussion to his opponent. It is a barbaric sport. It should not be part of school.
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Old 26.03.2012, 23:39
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Re: Boxing for 5th graders?

What's 5th grade - is it the same as 5th class (10/11)?

Was this a bona fide Swiss school, or an International one?
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Re: Boxing for 5th graders?

I meant "cinquième année".
You don't call it fifth grade?
Kids are 10 or 11 years old.
This is a public school in Chavannes-près-Renens, just outside Lausanne.
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I am extremely surprised and would certainly contact the school authorities to discuss this
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Re: Boxing for 5th graders?

Wow, this is cool.

I would have appreciated if I'd had the opportunity to practice boxing with other kids at the same age at school (or to get a glimpse what it is) ...

It depends very much upon where you try to learn it (and have some fun, of course). With the right protection and a good instruction and supervising stuff boxing is not dangerous (go to the hospitals and control whom they care: They will give you the info that it is injuries from soccer and skiing).

What in your opinion is the difference between boxing/kickboxing/muay thai on the one hand and judo/karate/taekwondo/aikido/jujitsu etc. on the other?
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Today my son came home with a bloody nose. He is in fifth grade and they had boxing during his physical education class. He told me "It's no big deal. It's my fault, I did not protect myself very well".

BOXING?!?!??!!

The goal of a boxer is to inflict a concussion to his opponent. It is a barbaric sport. It should not be part of school.
One thing is for sure, your boy is right.
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Wow, this is cool.

I would have appreciated if I'd had the opportunity to practice boxing with other kids at the same age at school (or to get a glimpse what it is) ...

It depends very much upon where you try to learn it (and have some fun, of course). With the right protection and a good instruction and supervising stuff boxing is not dangerous (go to the hospitals and control whom they care: They will give you the info that it is injuries from soccer and skiing).

What in your opinion is the difference between boxing/kickboxing/muay thai on the one hand and judo/karate/taekwondo/aikido/jujitsu etc. on the other?
Boxing, kickboxing, karate etc is all alright IF voluntarily and in some clubs, but NOT as part of the school-education
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Boxing, kickboxing, karate etc is all alright IF voluntarily and in some clubs, but NOT as part of the school-education
Well of course voluntarily but I think you could say the same already of judo or even swimming (which are both part of some school-education program).

I assume the OP's son got some Schnupper-lesson in it, maybe in collaboration with some local club (I don't think a normal gym teacher knows enough of boxing for teaching it, but who knows).

And personally I do not dislike the idea.
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Old 27.03.2012, 02:09
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Re: Boxing for 5th graders?

Switzerland is a traditionally a Christian country and a nuetral one so maybe the school was trying to teach your son how to turn the other cheek. ;-)
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Well of course voluntarily but I think you could say the same already of judo or even swimming (which are both part of some school-education program).

I assume the OP's son got some Schnupper-lesson in it, maybe in collaboration with some local club (I don't think a normal gym teacher knows enough of boxing for teaching it, but who knows).

And personally I do not dislike the idea.
You could say the same about Judo which also is a kind of fighting, but NOT about swimming which is NOT fighting. And has been upgraded over the past 60 years, to get the increasing number of people who drowned in the Swiss lakes DOWN. In the late 60ies, the number of people who drowned in the Zürichsee had reached unacceptable levels, and fact was that a majority of the victims were "Gastarbeiter". One of the reasons was that many people from countries like Italy were used to sea-shores where you can walk a far distance until reaching deeper water, while it here is in many places just a few steps.

And YES, I am in favour of a bit an authoritarian approach. I remember to have been a non-swimmer more or less when that authoritarian Mrs Eickhoff (our teacher) took care of the matter and turned me between mid-May until early July 63 from a non-swimmer into an enthusiastic long-distance swimmer. Amazing is that I only a year later rescued the life of the son of our neighbours. Mrs Eickhoff so, in a way, improved my life and indirectly rescued the one of Marcel F.

So, I am absolutely against compromising, regardless of whatever religious considerations
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Re: Boxing for 5th graders?

JUst a thought - are you are it was a PE lesson? Not playground fighting?
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Re: Boxing for 5th graders?

listen to your son, no big deal. being able to defend himself and others is an important skill.
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JUst a thought - are you are it was a PE lesson? Not playground fighting?
I would agree with this. It seems kind of doubtful that PE teacher did not notice that someone's nose was injured and is bleeding during the exercise and did not do anything about it.

Although when I was about 10 and attended judo classes and fractured my elbow, my instructor thought it is just a sprain and no big deal.
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Old 27.03.2012, 12:03
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Today my son came home with a bloody nose...
Methinks it was an after school lesson.

Leave him be, his pride is dented more than his nose

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Re: Boxing for 5th graders?

I think it's nice the PE teacher is introducing the kids to a variety of sports. He's making an effort, which is harder than leaving the kids playing football by themselves while he's daydreaming in a corner.

PE teachers have a very thorough training in Switzerland, including on accident prevention. But it's next to impossible to prevent all bruise, falls, etc. It's very likely that he gave some strict instructions about how to punch, where, with what force, etc. But let's face it: teenagers tend to have selective hearing!

I don't think boxing is so shocking in a school context. Better boxing under the guidance of a trained professional in supervised context than free fights without rules in the schoolyard! I think it's a healthy way of getting rid of extra energy.

Sorry that your son got a bloody nose though. But I guess it could also have happened while playing football!
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Methinks it was an after school lesson.

Leave him be, his pride is dented more than his nose
And send him to boxing classes.
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You could say the same about Judo which also is a kind of fighting, but NOT about swimming which is NOT fighting. ...
I see the difference between the two sports (whereas one is agonistic and you have to attack and to defend yourself so maybe it's difficult to pass an inner border or barrier which is a good if it exists, the other is more technical),

but I can tell you that in my experience what is potentially far more dangerous is swimming classes (as the supervisor and/or teacher can see only the heads of who's in the water).

What is dangerous in boxing is adult beginners without guidance or supervision, as they are strong but have no coordination/calibration and force consciousness, besides lack in technique.

11 year olds with gloves on and maybe head-protection - I mean how much damage could they do besides a bloody nose?


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And has been upgraded over the past 60 years, to get the increasing number of people who drowned in the Swiss lakes DOWN. In the late 60ies, the number of people who drowned in the Zürichsee had reached unacceptable levels, and fact was that a majority of the victims were "Gastarbeiter". One of the reasons was that many people from countries like Italy were used to sea-shores where you can walk a far distance until reaching deeper water, while it here is in many places just a few steps.
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Well who drowns in Lugano lake is folks from the US, Japan and Germany who are able to swim but overestimate their resistance, don't consider underwater currents and the impact of temperature.

But I don't know any German not able to swim.


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And YES, I am in favour of a bit an authoritarian approach. I remember to have been a non-swimmer more or less when that authoritarian Mrs Eickhoff (our teacher) took care of the matter and turned me between mid-May until early July 63 from a non-swimmer into an enthusiastic long-distance swimmer. Amazing is that I only a year later rescued the life of the son of our neighbours. Mrs Eickhoff so, in a way, improved my life and indirectly rescued the one of Marcel F.
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Excellent.

Yes, and I agree about the approach.
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Wow, this is cool.

I would have appreciated if I'd had the opportunity to practice boxing with other kids at the same age at school (or to get a glimpse what it is) ...

It depends very much upon where you try to learn it (and have some fun, of course). With the right protection and a good instruction and supervising stuff boxing is not dangerous (go to the hospitals and control whom they care: They will give you the info that it is injuries from soccer and skiing).

What in your opinion is the difference between boxing/kickboxing/muay thai on the one hand and judo/karate/taekwondo/aikido/jujitsu etc. on the other?

this is stupid. constant hits to the head and occasional knockouts in boxing result in permanent brain damage. its the last thing kids should do. make them do judo, karate, taekwondo but not full contact stuff like boxing or muay thai. use some common sense!

yes, boxing may be the most practical self defense (one you can even teach to a fool), but whats the point in getting constantly beat up in the gym for preparing for an occasional beat up in the distant future, that may never happen?
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this is stupid.
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That's the stereotype of it, yes.


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... constant hits to the head and occasional knockouts in boxing result in permanent brain damage.
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Can result, yes. But unless you aren't Cassius Clay and you don't step in an adult's tournement ring, hits to the head and knockouts are very unlike to happen.

Sparring is the simulation of a tournement round, not a fight.


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... its the last thing kids should do. make them do judo, karate, taekwondo but not full contact stuff like boxing or muay thai.
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But you know what kickboxing/muay thai is and in what discipline Andy Hug excelled (and from which he's been coming from), don't you?


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... yes, boxing may be the most practical self defense (one you can even teach to a fool), ...
In your dreams.


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... but whats the point in getting constantly beat up in the gym for preparing for an occasional beat up in the distant future, that may never happen?
It's not gang fighting in Guatemala. I think you completely missed the point.


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this is stupid. constant hits to the head and occasional knockouts in boxing result in permanent brain damage. its the last thing kids should do. make them do judo, karate, taekwondo but not full contact stuff like boxing or muay thai. use some common sense!

yes, boxing may be the most practical self defense (one you can even teach to a fool), but whats the point in getting constantly beat up in the gym for preparing for an occasional beat up in the distant future, that may never happen?
Your post is stupid.
I have been watching boxing for 30 years, and I know of three professional boxers to suffer brain damage.
You only get beat up if your not very good and when that's the case most find another sport.
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