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Old 06.04.2012, 01:17
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Re: Ringing up the Polizei ( language pains )

add to all this, that the world has changed a lot since the days of the 1950ies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Vrv7Hd_g8yM
the decade of my childhood, and police have changed their cars and their technical stuff, BUT NOT really their approach, and very often behave as if we were still somewhere in the 1950ies

My trust in the police so is rather limited and I when being domiciled in Zürich+Adliswil was not so much into co-operation with the police-apparatus, but since living in Glattbrugg with its very much higher crime-rate, I started to reconsider a bit
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Old 06.04.2012, 05:39
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When giving notice to police you have the right to demand that neither your name nor your address is revealed to the accused.
Then why was I told otherwise? It was a very significant point actually. We had to discuss it for quite a long period of time, because he could not proceed if I did not allow him to make my address public to the suspects.
Are you saying he made that up for some reason?

I still have the officer's business card. I am quite sure he could clarify that info, and if I am wrong, although it would be strange we talked about this one exact point for so long, then I will admit it.
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Old 07.04.2012, 05:55
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Then why was I told otherwise? It was a very significant point actually. We had to discuss it for quite a long period of time, because he could not proceed if I did not allow him to make my address public to the suspects.
Are you saying he made that up for some reason?

I still have the officer's business card. I am quite sure he could clarify that info, and if I am wrong, although it would be strange we talked about this one exact point for so long, then I will admit it.
In your place I would simply NOT accept his argument and make it clear that I would employ a lawyer to assure that the culprits would NOT get my particulars, and I am 100% sure that I would succeed in full !

He simply referred to the standard practice followed in such relatively minor things. And yes, he quite obviously made it up in order to prevent you from following up the matter any further.

Reality rather is that they will not find out anything due to lack of verifiable data, and he simply wanted/wants to close the file
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In your place I would simply NOT accept his argument and make it clear that I would employ a lawyer to assure that the culprits would NOT get my particulars, and I am 100% sure that I would succeed in full !

He simply referred to the standard practice followed in such relatively minor things. And yes, he quite obviously made it up in order to prevent you from following up the matter any further.

Reality rather is that they will not find out anything due to lack of verifiable data, and he simply wanted/wants to close the file
The officer is right, if one press charges ones name and particulars are open to the accused. It's part of the Strafprozessrecht. It also makes sense, otherwise anonymous accusations would be possible.
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Old 07.04.2012, 17:11
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The officer is right, if one press charges ones name and particulars are open to the accused. It's part of the Strafprozessrecht. It also makes sense, otherwise anonymous accusations would be possible.
A) The Strafprozessrecht only becomes relevant when the Strafprozess is launched.
B) Police when confronting you with an "Anzeige" will not tell you WHO made the "Anzeige"
C) When you get visited by police due to an "Anzeige wegen Lärm" they will just tell you that "somebody" has made an Anzeige
D) speed ? Nobody apparently can prove that the driver drove really too fast. So that the matter is rather one of noise and of driving up and down the road. If police would find him they of course would enquire about this, but would have to accept a more or less credible explanation
E) There is a clear difference between Strafantrag and Anzeige. In case of a Strafantrag you have to be a "victim"
Strafantrag oder Anzeige bei der Polizei

Je nach Art der Zuwiderhandlung wird eine strafbare Handlung auf Antrag des Opfers oder von Amtes wegen durch die Behörde verfolgt. Ein Strafantrag kann nur vom Opfer selbst gestellt werden. Bleibt dieser Schritt aus und handelt es sich um eine Straftat, die nur auf Antrag verfolgt wird, bleibt der Täter oder die Täterin der rechtswidrigen Handlung unbestraft. Anzeige hingegen kann von jeder Person oder Behörde erstattet werden, die Kenntnis von der Straftat hat. Jeder nächste Polizeiposten nimmt einen Strafantrag oder eine Anzeige entgegen.

So that there is a big difference between an Anzeige/Strafantrag in regard to violent assault against you personally and an Anzeige in regard to something you witnessed

And here we come to the policeman. The man saw that the speed-matter was a cul-de-sac due to lack of proven evidence, and that the "driving up and down" only could be pursued if the "Anzeigende" would claim that it was "absichtliche Lärmbelästigung", something impossible to prove again ............................. and so did everything to convince the "Anzeigende" to forget the matter.

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Re: Ringing up the Polizei ( language pains )

I would suggest insisting in speaking English to them, it's not usually that they can't speak English, but rather that they don't want to...
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I would suggest insisting in speaking English to them, it's not usually that they can't speak English, but rather that they don't want to...
I can't speak German well enough, does that mean that they definitely speak English in contrast? I did insist that I could not speak enough German, and that's why we have arrived to this thread.
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Re: Ringing up the Polizei ( language pains )

Yes, they do speak English...most of them have had to follow an English course for the 2008 UEFA European Championships in Austria & Switzerland, with some games played in Zurich. Plus Zurich has an important English speaking community.
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Yes, they do speak English...most of them have had to follow an English course for the 2008 UEFA European Championships in Austria & Switzerland, with some games played in Zurich. Plus Zurich has an important English speaking community.

Which was 4 years ago. In any case, I seriously doubt all Police in German speaking cantons can speak English, based on that fact or not. Define important English speaking community please.
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Re: Ringing up the Polizei ( language pains )

I agree with you about all cops speaking English within the whole canton, however, I do imagine that a fair majority of them in the city speak it.

What I mean by an important English speaking community is that with all the foreign students at the University, people who work in International companies, etc...plus all the tourists they receive on a yearly basis, I think they wouldn't be well off not speaking it.

Trust me, the person you had on the phone could speak it and just didn't want to I think next time, pretend like you don't speak any German at all, I'd suggest not trying in French (I'm half Swiss from the french part and usually don't like each other), so your gesture to try in French was absolutely correct, however, it might also have made matters worse.
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Old 12.04.2012, 08:31
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Did you try to call the police instead of ringing them....


(sorry couldn't resist)
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