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Re: Damn swiss with their nicknames!!

In my eyes the short forms of a this name the OP mentioned do not even qualify as diminutives. As they do not really have the connotation of beeing colloquial. Rather are the longforms of the traditional German names (like Hans-Peter, Hans-Ulrich, etc. ) reserved for the most official events (marriege, court, etc. ). In my eyes a job interview is not as formal as the two mentioned before. In everiday life traditionally the short-forms are used almost exlusivliy, anyway. Thus it would be strange (and rather alienenting) if colleagues introduce each other by the long-form.

Please note, that today the the difference between long and short form is vanashing. In the past if somebody was called Hans, everybody knew, that his given name actually was Johann, sobody called Rudi, Rudolf. This is however not limited to Switzerland, but was the case everyweher in (the south ?) Geman speaking areas.
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Old 11.04.2012, 18:25
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I think we're confusing "nickname" with "diminutive" on this thread

AT EASE


It is important. I could understand the OP's point if he was talking about nicknames. But he is talking about diminutives. As such he's just showing a level of ignorance that is too great not to call.
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I once worked in the insurance industry and I can tell you a LOT of old people sign contracts and fill out forms with their shortened name, which can sometimes make it a little difficult to find them in the system.. this system of not using your formal first name has actually diminished a lot with shorter, more modern first names.

I only recently found out that my grandmother's first name wasn't Margrit but Margaretha, she simply never spelt it that way or introduced herself that way, so I doubt many people apart from her parents ever knew her real name.
In New Zealand you can call yourself what you like, and even have it on official documentation. I had bank accounts, degree, drivers license, all my insurance, phone, power, etc. under an assumed name, which was my name with my step-father's surname. Even got married with that name. The only place I couldn't have that name was my US passport because I never changed it by deed poll. I finally got around to changing my name legally after using my A.K.A. for 20 years only after the Swiss embassy in Kiwiland told my wife she couldn't claim to be married or name our children because I couldn't possibly exist because there was no record of anyone with my name (apart from pretty much my whole of my existence).

Ok, that's a little harsh. Still, I finally paid the money and had my name changed (which I had always been meaning to do, but $180NZD is a lot of money) and everything with the embassy went swimmingly after that.
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Re: Damn swiss with their nicknames!!

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Old 11.04.2012, 19:35
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If only my parents hadn't named me after the place I was conceived then I wouldn't have to nickname myself mimi.


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So they had bus shelters down your way?

Someone's is showing off they're from the nice bit of town...
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Re: Damn swiss with their nicknames!!

I once taught someone known as X, another known as A and a third who was AA (pronounced as I). All were nick names given by their parents. I am happy to call people by whatever name they wish to be known as.
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I once taught someone known as X, another known as A and a third who was AA (pronounced as I). All were nick names given by their parents. I am happy to call people by whatever name they wish to be known as, which is the respectful thing to do.
Fixed that for you
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agree totally. i insisted on being referred to as "my lord and master" by my ex-gf, but for some reason, she was reluctant to do the respectful thing...
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agree totally. i insisted on being referred to as "my lord and master" by my ex-gf, but for some reason, she was reluctant to do the respectful thing...
LOL

maybe she would've gone for my "lordli and masterli"?
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Re: Damn swiss with their nicknames!!

This is quite a strange thread.

There maybe a simple solution.

If and when you are sicken by the culture of a country, perhaps it is time to consider living elsewhere.
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So they had bus shelters down your way?

Someone's is showing off they're from the nice bit of town...
I think they chose it over "behind the back shed" as Dad has Christian values you know.

Feel sorry for my sister who got named Rohyp.
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Something what really bothers me is that many swiss persons seems to have given themselves a nickname, and then they are using those shortforms in official circumstances. For example:

Gertrud > Trudi
Ulrich > Ueli
Esther > Esthi
Adrian > Adi

etc. etc..

It is sick and bothers me that culture which is build on everyone calling each other SIE, at the same time they introduce themselves with their nickname.

Even my City's final budjet from last year which i received today is being signed by Stadspräsident who's name is written under the signature with a nickname.

I understand if someone is not happy with ones given name. Then you go and change it officially, but this sickens me.

One collegue of me who i don't really know well, who's name is Esther told me i should call her Esthi. I answered: "As soon as we start to take showers together".

-El Duderino

ps. Any other experiences?
I simply fail to see your problem about people using their nicknames, or shortened names or translated names. I at age 4 and 5 got used to the Italian version of my name, which also for many German speakers who know me is "my name". And I at age 8 learnt to know the English version. etc etc etc.


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I understand what I'm writing about. Diminutives like Chuck, Bill, Tony, etc, are rather naive and they also give a naive picture of a person using it. Some examples: Chuck Norris, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair... Tony's Pizzeria sounds great, but voting Anthony Blair who calles himself Tony... Maybe that's why he is no longer in throne...?

I'm not a troll, I'm someone who cares about the original swiss names, and doesn't understand why everything must be raped by MTV-generation.
shortened names are not naive at all but simply normal. My brother and me had various nick-names, many decades before MTW started, even at times when the few people who had TV only had a choice between SF and ARD, and this all in black/white.

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I completely agree with you there. I always introduce myself by my full name and I really hate it when our son's name is shortened by people. They don't even ask and some of them even write it in cards and stuff. If we'd wanted him to be called *** we'd have christened him that and not ******* which is the name we actually gave him (and we really like).
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You may experience that your son will use nicknames for himself. At worst you will experience what my mother experience in regard to my older brother who had the nickname Küde and had to realize that she for many below 30yrs people was simply "äm-Küde-sini-Muetter" . She not only accepted it but when good even introduced her as "losed, ich bin äm Küde sini Muetter und ....." . The acceptance 99,9% .... and I adapted as well and at times if required said "losed ich bin dä Ernesto, äm Küde sin Brüeder, und mini Antik dähei kriegt Schreichrämpf wän ich nöd ändlich chan mälde woner steckt"
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A) Deeming people "naive" for no other reason than their name is offensive.

B) The use of nicknames is certainly not limited to the Swiss, and the use/prevalence of nicknames/diminutives certainly precedes the advent of MTV.

C) I'm no Brit, but I am pretty sure Tony Blair was never 'in throne.'
Hey if you red my post like "devil reads the bible", you should have red that I wrote that those diminutives are naive, I wrote nothing about people being naive.

The use of diminutives is certainly not a swiss thing, but in switzerland is lots of people who give themselves a diminutive and then use them in official circumstances. That's something i can't tolarate. It's like your car had a registerplate number ZH-123456, and you would change it yourself to ZH-1234.

You're right about MTV though: They rape the language with their english words, not names.

By saying that Tony Blair was "in throne", I simply ment he being a prime-minister. By using the word "throne" i ment to express Great Britain formally being a kingdom, but that the parlament and it's prime-minister is having more power than the queen.

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My mum's nickname was Raleigh.

No idea why.
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Jeez. Just let Homer be Homer, Mickey Mouse be Mickey Mouse and Tony Blair be Tony Blair, what exactly is so hard about that?!
We've come far away from the original subject: "swiss using nicknames/diminutives in official circumstances"....

Now you put Tony Blair together with Mickey Mouse and Homer Simpson?

That's it. In my opinion Homer should also be Homer, Mickey must remain as Mickey, but without being political here: "Tony" Blair, or "Bill" Clinton just gives me a picture of a boy who never grew up.
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My mum's nickname was Raleigh.

No idea why.
She discovered potatoes and tobacco maybe?
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She discovered potatoes and tobacco maybe?
It's kinder than the bike option, i'll grant you.

I was totally against the OP's point of view, but then I remembered how much Bono annoys me, so I'm now undecided.
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Yeah, but he'd still have a second hat (is that OK Peg?) even if he was still called Bernard.




Which remionds me. I was undecided who my favorite band were. It was a toss up. The Wurzels nearly won it, but, in the end, U2 had the edge.
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Just put "li"on the end of everything and mock them all.

Adieuli.
I do that all the time
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I do that all the time
Douchebagli (like that? )
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