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Old 12.04.2012, 09:31
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Re: Damn swiss with their nicknames!!

I've never heard of Dick Marty being referred to by any other first name, can't even find one on the internet!

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Old 12.04.2012, 09:32
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Huh, come again?

Hansueli for Hans-Ulrich and Bethli for Elisabeth etc. have been the typical Swiss names for many generations. The only reason for the difference between official names and these "diminutives" is that (by law) names in official documents have to be written in standard German. But that does not make Hans-Ulrich more typical than Hansueli, far from it.
This is something I didn't know. I have a swiss friend who's official name in passport is Nick, not Nikolaus. In my opinion Nick is not a german name.

Or do you mean by "official documents", that if a person's real name is Hans-Ulrich, he can't write it as Hansueli to his loanpapers? That's logical, because it's not his name.

My point is: If the parents will 100% sure know that their small Arnold will be called "Nöldi", why can't they babtise him as Nöldi? We live in Switzerland, everyone knows that Nöldi is a male. And if the swiss laws are against it, then I ask why?

That leads us to a bigger question: should swiss-german be treated equally with hoch-deutsch? In my opinion yes. Swiss should be proud of their linguistical heritage, and take care of it.
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It is important. I could understand the OP's point if he was talking about nicknames. But he is talking about diminutives. As such he's just showing a level of ignorance that is too great not to call.
Ok, by being not an english speaker originally I messed nicknames and diminutives, but that doesn't give you the right to say that i'm ignorent. You don't see me writing anything personal about you. So why are you dissing me? Your constant attacs to my person have nothing to do with the subject.
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Ok, by being not an english speaker originally I messed nicknames and diminutives, but that doesn't give you the right to say that i'm ignorent. You don't see me writing anything personal about you. So why are you dissing me? Your constant attacs to my person have nothing to do with the subject.
Its not about your English skills, its about your bombastic attitude to people's right to shorten their names which is done very widely across the world. I agree with him
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This is quite a strange thread.

There maybe a simple solution.

If and when you are sicken by the culture of a country, perhaps it is time to consider living elsewhere.

I thought this was a "complaints corner". I bet you the englishforum switzerland would be empty in no time if everyone who got something to complain would just leave the country.
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Old 12.04.2012, 09:55
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That leads us to a bigger question: should swiss-german be treated equally with hoch-deutsch? In my opinion yes. Swiss should be proud of their linguistical heritage, and take care of it.
Really? How would you do that? Allow it to be written on packaging and street signs? And which dialect? How will you spell the words? Wouldn't work

I asked my wife about that one once a back now, and she was completely against the idea of formalising anything to do with Swiss German. The Swiss German languages here are each something special - especially since you can have so much regional variation in such a small geographic space. But as soon as you make them official, one will have to rise to the top. In fact if you ask her, she doesn't speak "Swiss" German; She speaks "Bärn-Duetsch", as distinct from all the others.
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That leads us to a bigger question:
Are you high again?
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Really? How would you do that? Allow it to be written on packaging and street signs? And which dialect? How will you spell the words? Wouldn't work

I asked my wife about that one once a back now, and she was completely against the idea of formalising anything to do with Swiss German. The Swiss German languages here are each something special - especially since you can have so much regional variation in such a small geographic space. But as soon as you make them official, one will have to rise to the top. In fact if you ask her, she doesn't speak "Swiss" German; She speaks "Bärn-Duetsch", as distinct from all the others.
Swiss-german is not a written language, so we don't have a problem with that. By more rights to swiss-german i mean that everyone should be granted a right to speak swiss-german in official circumstances, and that in every Kindergarten, also in Zürich, the swiss-german would be tolerated. Also being able to give your child a swiss-german name like Hansruedi would be nice. Yes, there is an own dialect in every valley, i surely hope it stays that way. It's the one most effective weapon to spot the foreigners and other bad outsiders in the small mountain communities.
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Hey if you red my post like "devil reads the bible", you should have red that I wrote that those diminutives are naive, I wrote nothing about people being naive.

The use of diminutives is certainly not a swiss thing, but in switzerland is lots of people who give themselves a diminutive and then use them in official circumstances. That's something i can't tolarate. It's like your car had a registerplate number ZH-123456, and you would change it yourself to ZH-1234.

You're right about MTV though: They rape the language with their english words, not names.

By saying that Tony Blair was "in throne", I simply ment he being a prime-minister. By using the word "throne" i ment to express Great Britain formally being a kingdom, but that the parlament and it's prime-minister is having more power than the queen.

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You can't tolerate it?
Sorry to rain on your parade, but it is absolutely not your place to determine what is "tolerable" and what isn't. It is solely the name/nickname/diminutive carrier's right. People different from him have zero say in that matter.

Nobody gives a hoot about what you think about their names, because it's bloody irrelevant.

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We've come far away from the original subject: "swiss using nicknames/diminutives in official circumstances"....

Now you put Tony Blair together with Mickey Mouse and Homer Simpson?

That's it. In my opinion Homer should also be Homer, Mickey must remain as Mickey, but without being political here: "Tony" Blair, or "Bill" Clinton just gives me a picture of a boy who never grew up.
Yes, I do. Because it doesn't matter who you're talking about or talking to, respecting other people and all living creatures - no matter what they call themselves - and not changing their names just because it doesn't suit your mood/name acceptability radar or whatever - is necessary in civilized society. And by saying
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"Tony" Blair, or "Bill" Clinton just gives me a picture of a boy who never grew up.
you went right ahead and proved that your wish to not respect people calling themselves anything you consider a nickname/diminutive "intolerable" stretches past the borders of Swiss names.
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Swiss-german is not a written language, so we don't have a problem with that. By more rights to swiss-german i mean that everyone should be granted a right to speak swiss-german in official circumstances, and that in every Kindergarten, also in Zürich, the swiss-german would be tolerated. Also being able to give your child a swiss-german name like Hansruedi would be nice. Yes, there is an own dialect in every valley, i surely hope it stays that way. It's the one most effective weapon to spot the foreigners and other bad outsiders in the small mountain communities.
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You can't tolerate it?
Sorry to rain on your parade, but it is absolutely not your place to determine what is "tolerable" and what isn't. It is solely the name/nickname/diminutive carrier's right. People different from him have zero say in that matter.

Nobody gives a hoot about what you think about their names, because it's bloody irrelevant.

Yes, I do. Because it doesn't matter who you're talking about or talking to, respecting other people and all living creatures - no matter what they call themselves - and not changing their names just because it doesn't suit your mood/name acceptability radar or whatever - is necessary in civilized society.


LET'S ALL WRITE IT REALLY BIG SO WE CAN BE HEARD BETTER!!!



No seriously. Have you ever heard about freedom of speech? I have a right to my opinion. I can personally tolerate or not tolerate whatever I want to. And that can sometimes vary from your opinion. Try to live with that or move back to New Jersey.
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Ok, by being not an english speaker originally I messed nicknames and diminutives, but that doesn't give you the right to say that i'm ignorent. You don't see me writing anything personal about you. So why are you dissing me? Your constant attacs to my person have nothing to do with the subject.
Why am I dissing you?

Maybe because if you go through my posts you'll see that most of them carry valid points that suggest that you are wrong. The fact that you seem to groan each one reinforces that you cannot have a rational argument.

You think diminutives are wrong because they diminish your view of that person's trustworthiness.

The fact that many people use diminutives as their names in everyday lives for official duties offends you to point of sickening you.

Yet, while diminutives are normal in many cultures it is not acceptable in CH.

And you think I'm the one with the problem?

Groan away, maybe I'll get up to 50 today!
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Re: Damn swiss with their nicknames!!

Dude, I've seen some complaints about insignificant things on this forum but this takes the biscuit. However, in the interests in allowing everyone to have a voice about what irks them here I tend not to close things off unless it starts getting personal, which this has.

Oh, and as far as your borderline trolling ways are concerned, Mr Lebovskili, this mod dude most certainly does not abide.
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