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I've contemplated putting english 1p & 2p coins in their stupid pot but thought that might be a bit mean.
I think I have some South African 1c coins
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Old 02.05.2012, 09:42
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Re: Busking/begging on trams

guess who was back this morning! and he has a new song (which i liked, btw). a bit of drama too since he got told off by a woman on the tram and he shouted back. also sparked a bit of discussion with other passengers.
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Old 02.05.2012, 09:45
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Let `s make one thing clear for starters,a person playing an instrument to a reasonable standard is busking,it has nothing to do with begging.
Busking is an good old trade and i for one appreciate it.


The people who moan about buskers are probably only one step beyond trying to ban church bells etc.
I honestly would love to see both banned.
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guess who was back this morning! and he has a new song (which i liked, btw). a bit of drama too since he got told off by a woman on the tram and he shouted back. also sparked a bit of discussion with other passengers.

ahhh no!!! I was on a later tram this morning (forgot to turn my alarm back on from yesterday...oops!) wish i could have seen that! Damn it!
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Old 02.05.2012, 10:03
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ahhh no!!! I was on a later tram this morning (forgot to turn my alarm back on from yesterday...oops!) wish i could have seen that! Damn it!
we'll have to see if he is scared off for tomorrow...
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Re: Busking/begging on trams

Well anything that does not disturb is allowed!
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Hey All,

I've taken a look on other threads but there wasnt really much on this that i could find.

Is busking/begging on trams legal over here?

Nearly every morning on my way to work there is someone with an accordian or a violin on the tram playing their songs and then making you feel really awkward when they walk past you shoving their stupid paper cup in your face trying to get you to give them your money that you worked hard to get yourself (or at least i do :P).

Its starting to get extremely irritating now esecially when its on the 7am tram into work when you've only just woken up and can barely open your eyes or think let along having to sit there with an accordian blaring out in your face and the bloke staring at you (i was stupidly sat on the very front seat this morning)

I understand that they need money to eat and I can apprecciate that but MUST they do it when im on my way into work? Im always grouchy enough in the morning as it is, let alone with some man shoving a cup in my face making me feel bad for not giving him my money just because he can play a crappy song on an acordian singing extremely badly.

I suppose its my own fault for forgetting my headphones this morning and sitting on the front seat but does anyone else getting annoyed by this or is it just me being extremely grumpy in the mornings?
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Related but unrelated...
Sometimes street/tram musicians are extremely talented. One evening I managed to leave the office early (as in 7pm) and it was still light outside, so I went down by the lake in Bellevue to read my book.
This guy was playing the violin so wonderfully that I had to stop reading and listened to him until he stopped playing. Glorious.
Then I thanked him, tipped him, and walked off so happy!

(sorry, picture a bit dark as it was taken with my phone)
You beat me to it - some are brilliant and really lighten and improve the atmosphere. Recently I listened for quite a while to a fabulously talented accordionist in Neuchatel - played tango, jazz and classical music - very much like the famous Richard Galliano. I sat on a wall and it was a delight. I went over to tip him, bought his CD, and to say how talented he was. Made my day.

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Re: Busking/begging on trams

That is one of my future goals.. After 4 or 5 years, I think I will give up my job and play a violin or a guimbarde/Maultrommel in train stations or markets.. The happiness of cheering up people is unmatched....
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Old 03.06.2012, 21:27
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I honestly would love to see both banned.

Begging IS banned. But "busking" is not. And many contributions are at least nice if not excellent. I am overall in favour of tolerance. I did and will report people who smoke in places where it is prohibited, but I never report beggars, even if I do not approve of their doings.
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Old 03.06.2012, 21:43
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Re: Busking/begging on trams

Sounds like Basel is more 'liberal' than Zurich - there are bans against busking on public transport in Zurich, right after to the pic banning showing anyone the elephant ... and before the pic that bans cutting up the seats with a saw.
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Re: Busking/begging on trams

I love street musicians and tram musicians when they actually play music.

However...

In the Paris metro when i lived there, we had "Lulu l'artiste" (he had a nametag) who rode the 10 line a lot and played what he thought was Stairway to Heaven on the harmonica. Once he propositioned my mother (who always gets propositioned in metros of this world but that is another story). His musical skills left a lot to be desired. I did usually give him money once a week or so just for the comic relief he provided on my commute.

Then when I worked in Geneva several years ago, there was a young couple with a keyboard and a tambourine. They took turns over which one played what "instrument" but their usual schtick was that they would play whatever was prerecorded on this 1980s era keyboard (When the Saints Go Marching In was one of them), play a few notes over the top while the other rattled the tambourine off beat. And then they asked for money. Anyone remember those two?
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Old 03.06.2012, 23:22
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Sounds like Basel is more 'liberal' than Zurich - there are bans against busking on public transport in Zurich, right after to the pic banning showing anyone the elephant ... and before the pic that bans cutting up the seats with a saw.
the VBZ banned busking on the trams when the performers started to PRESS for payments in an aggressive way. I once told such a performer whose show £I did not like " you now pay me CHF 20 or I will call the police" . The man stopped and got away.

In the open you can easily escape but in a tram you are a kind of "hostage". This was the reason why VBZ acted accordingly.
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the VBZ banned busking on the trams when the performers started to PRESS for payments in an aggressive way. I once told such a performer whose show £I did not like " you now pay me CHF 20 or I will call the police" . The man stopped and got away.

In the open you can easily escape but in a tram you are a kind of "hostage". This was the reason why VBZ acted accordingly.
So cutting up the seats was in search of weaponry, in order to defend yourself from such pushy "entertainers"?

Thanks for the background, thought there would be a solid reason for the ban.
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Re: Busking/begging on trams

In places like New York or London it blends into the scene. But in Zürich-no. Zürich is much too clean and orderly.
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Re: Busking/begging on trams

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You beat me to it - some are brilliant and really lighten and improve the atmosphere. Recently I listened for quite a while to a fabulously talented accordionist in Neuchatel - played tango, jazz and classical music - very much like the famous Richard Galliano. I sat on a wall and it was a delight. I went over to tip him, bought his CD, and to say how talented he was. Made my day.
Oh, but that was not begging. That was simply a musician trying to make a few bucks somewhere and to promote his CD - you know, not all talented people out there have Sony Music or what-else-not behind them.

Anyways, there are some you could obviously tell they have little talent it at all, but they know they have to do something for a few coins. I feel pitty for them i am somehow certain that most of them would do something else if they had a choice..Judging is so easy. Droping a coin from your "hard earned" money (really? would we be that long on the EF? c'mon) is more difficult. But that's the world and that's my 2 cents opinion.

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Re: Busking/begging on trams

One thing I read about busking musicians (and I have no idea whether this is an urban myth or not), is that some are actually students from the musical conservatory (or conservatoire?) who are sent out to get experience of both playing in public and of playing for a "difficult" audience.

Presumably, the rationale is that if a student musician can get passers-by to stop and listen to them and they are able to deal with an essentially indifferent audience then they should be able to handle any sort of concert hall audience.
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Re: Busking/begging on trams

I don't mind buskers in the street as mentioned some are quite good.. Im not so keen on beggars who want money.. there was one who always waited int the foyer of the supermarket with his dog.. him instead of money would just buy a can of dog food/biscuits and a sandwich for him instead... sometimes people dont have a choice..
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Re: Busking/begging on trams

Not sure about that, TrainDoctor, but my children used to attend a music school in Sydney and the teacher regularly organises busking days for his students ... he actually started up the Busking for Barnardos events, where the children (and now other musicians from the Cronulla area) play pretty much all day and donate all money raised to Barnardos. For him, it was about giving the kids experience playing in public ... and helping out those less fortunate, as most of his students don't need the money!
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One thing I read about busking musicians (and I have no idea whether this is an urban myth or not), is that some are actually students from the musical conservatory (or conservatoire?) who are sent out to get experience of both playing in public and of playing for a "difficult" audience.

Presumably, the rationale is that if a student musician can get passers-by to stop and listen to them and they are able to deal with an essentially indifferent audience then they should be able to handle any sort of concert hall audience.
there was a video on the interwebz of someone doing that.

It's funny that someone mentioned church bells. I hate them with a passion. By all means, play them on Sunday, play them at Christmas. Hell, even play them at Midday.
BUT FOR 1 minute max! After that turn the friggin' thing off!
And don't sound the wrong bells.
There's a friggin' church in my city that has a bell that keeps going on and on for minutes, it has a whining sound, it's loud, it's annoying.

Begging should be forbidden anywhere, and those people arrested and immediately expelled from Switzerland, they don't even own anything and are foreigners (a swiss would exploit the social net) so it's easy to do.
If they want to play music, they should get a permission (and it should not be given on public transport, because you don't have a choice to get away from there if you don't like it) and just put a hat on the ground.
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there was a video on the interwebz of someone doing that.

It's funny that someone mentioned church bells. I hate them with a passion. By all means, play them on Sunday, play them at Christmas. Hell, even play them at Midday.
BUT FOR 1 minute max! After that turn the friggin' thing off!
And don't sound the wrong bells.
There's a friggin' church in my city that has a bell that keeps going on and on for minutes, it has a whining sound, it's loud, it's annoying.

Begging should be forbidden anywhere, and those people arrested and immediately expelled from Switzerland, they don't even own anything and are foreigners (a swiss would exploit the social net) so it's easy to do.
If they want to play music, they should get a permission (and it should not be given on public transport, because you don't have a choice to get away from there if you don't like it) and just put a hat on the ground.
and putting hats on the ground should also be taxed or subject to a hat on the ground levy...
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