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Re: Fed up with Zurich

BonBon..........are you so sure about those "high salaries"? Seems to me this is a typical HR smokescreen..........a quick response to the complaint by their employees being raped by the "high prices". It's easy to find stats all over the web, about Switzerland being the fifth most expensive country in the world in which to live. I've never seen the stats that it "commands the fifth highest disposable income in the world". Show me the stats....please..........
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BonBon..........are you so sure about those "high salaries"? Seems to me this is a typical HR smokescreen..........a quick response to the complaint by their employees being raped by the "high prices". It's easy to find stats all over the web, about Switzerland being the fifth most expensive country in the world in which to live. I've never seen the stats that it "commands the fifth highest disposable income in the world". Show me the stats....please..........
Do you see many post in this section regarding poor pay?
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Its not bad service if you are Swiss. Its only us expats that complain about that. Why, because that's the way it is here, it's like the Swiss staring or pushing to the front of the queue, it's not rude it's just how the Swiss are, it's the way things work here.

It's Switzerland, things are not the same here as our homeland wherever that may be.
To live the life we have here, some small annoyances need to be accepted.
I also often find the service here lacking, but my Swiss husband and a lot of his friends feel the same. They have all lived abroad and have gotten used to friendlier and more helpful service. So perhaps it is not necessarily that Swiss people always receive better service, but that they are not aware that the service here is not the best in the world.

That said, when I first moved to Zurich, I had a few instances where I came home crying when the bakery lady was rude about my attempts at speaking German. I simply refuse to go to shops where the people are consistently rude, so I go elsewhere. We have our favourite restaurants and shops where the staff know us and are really lovely.

Of course it is different when visiting the city, and it's not always fun or convenient to go to the same places, but it helps to have at least one place that you know you will receive a friendly greeting. It can help to make the other crappy experiences a bit better
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I also often find the service here lacking, but my Swiss husband and a lot of his friends feel the same. They have all lived abroad and have gotten used to friendlier and more helpful service. So perhaps it is not necessarily that Swiss people always receive better service, but that they are not aware that the service here is not the best in the world.

That said, when I first moved to Zurich, I had a few instances where I came home crying when the bakery lady was rude about my attempts at speaking German. I simply refuse to go to shops where the people are consistently rude, so I go elsewhere. We have our favourite restaurants and shops where the staff know us and are really lovely.

Of course it is different when visiting the city, and it's not always fun or convenient to go to the same places, but it helps to have at least one place that you know you will receive a friendly greeting. It can help to make the other crappy experiences a bit better
Exactly my point, they think it is normal. Normal to stare, normal not to queue, normal to expect no ne flushes........etc.

Sometimes we just need to accept we are expats.

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Its not bad service if you are Swiss. Its only us expats that complain about that. Why, because that's the way it is here, it's like the Swiss staring or pushing to the front of the queue, it's not rude it's just how the Swiss are, it's the way things work here.

It's Switzerland, things are not the same here as our homeland wherever that may be.
To live the life we have here, some small annoyances need to be accepted.
Switzerland is far from a homogenous country, which makes it really interesting...

...I have always received terrific service in the mid, south and western parts...
E.g. Lucern has way better service than Zürich and people are much more friendlier...


I don't agree with anything that you wrote, maybe you should take a trip around the country...

and you know, there are A LOT of tourists coming here and so they have to really improve the customer hospitality...
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for being a Swiss you don't know much about your own country

...I have always received terrific service in the mid, south and western parts...

E.g. Lucern has way better service than Zürich and people are much more friendlier...

I don't agree with anything that you wrote, maybe you should take a trip around your own country...

and you know, there are A LOT of tourists coming here and you have to really improve customer hospitality...


This funny, I am not Swiss, I am an expat, who accepts living n a country/city that may have inflated prices and some annoyances.
The thing is I accept these because I am grateful to be here in such a beautiful country.
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After hundreds of trips into Zurich, it finally dawned on me: I am fed up with the place (I moved out into the countryside long ago). After finally finding a ridiculously expensive parking spot, paying exorbitant prices for mediocre food and lousy service, browsing overpriced shops (why would anybody actually buy something on Bahnhofstr.?) walking through the same sterile streets over and over again, then coming back home a couple hundred francs poorer with little to show for it, I ask myself: why did I even bother? Anyone else ever feel like that?
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If you go shopping to H&M and C&A you find your stuff at really acceptable prices (cheap by Swiss standards). If you go eating in the Zeughauskeller www.zeughauskeller.ch or the Johanniter http://www.johanniter.com/ or the Grappolo http://www.die-restaurants.ch/Detail...217&cityId=125 you will get good stuff at reasonable prices. For an alternative, go down to the lake and the Rote Fabrik and take your meal at the Ziegel-oh-Lac
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and if you take public transport downtown you do not have to leave your money at a parking lot. The parking lots are made exceedingly expensive in order to "convince" visitors about the advantages of public transport.

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I agree with you (except the sterile streets part as the city sems to have become a dump). Either way, you are right but let's not forget, that for many people Zurich is the liveliest place in this country and if you are looking for some sort of entertainent, then you have to go to Zurich. However, for me, it is still a lame city and internationally speaking not comparable to similar sized towns, let along larger cities.
The thing that gets me, they started naming the outskirts (agglomeration) of Zurich the GZA - Greater Zurich Area likes it's some friggin metropolis!!
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You by "similar sized towns" of course mean Varese, Como, Bregenz, Konstanz, Mülhausen/Mulhouse, Colmar and Strassburg ?

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Yeah I feel you, I lived there for a year and the best decision I ever made was to leave Zurich and Switzerland for good. It's the most horrible place on earth ( I have lived in many countries and never went to a place where the locals think to humiliate you every day and only smile when they see your money is normal behavior) Besides the ugly 50s look of design, architecture, the lack of style, the east European communist architecture (Schweizer Qualität) and basically the total lack of a free market and transparant economy. I am still celebrating the fact that I left
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Looks as if Zürich has survived that tragic loss fairly well
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Old 29.04.2012, 13:50
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Re: Fed up with Zurich

I rather love Zurich actually. As a rather positive example, that does not happen everyday though, I took the bike and was in a real forest and steepish hill area called Adlisberg, in around 5 minutes (mostly as I had to cross over the highway), after having passed several creeks and being in the true countryside already for a bit. Then I cycled and walked (as my condition still sucks quite a bit, working on that ) to get to the top of Adlisberg for about half an hour, and voila, Elephants right in front of me, okay that is cheating as there is a path through the Zoo. Then I proceeded down the hill, arrived at Stadelhofen, parked my bike (which did not get stolen even though it has two very flimsy locks) walked passed the Opera house, and then the bit down the lake, then a bit of Niederdorf, and down to Bahnhofstrasse, did my shopping for which I came, returned back to my bike. Then walked with bike in hand, as it was too crowded, all the way down to Tiefenbrunnen, then up to Balgrist and Witikon and raced at over 50km+ down the hill through Greer to get back home Even saw a young deer prancing along the forest in that area. Oh my detour apparently amounted to about 40km in total which is not too bad considering that most parts of it where going up....

Sorry, but if you are 'fed up' with Zurich you are just looking in the wrong places... and especially with yesterday's weather there is not much too complain except for 'it is too hot', the wind was very welcome though, as that is rare for Switzerland in general.
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Old 29.04.2012, 13:58
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OK, OK. I admit it. I meant I am fed up (with a girl) in Zurich.
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Re: Fed up with Zurich

Maybe relationships are the spark that ignite a whole lot of troubles in the back of our minds, accumulated through time that becomes later something to worry about.

Or it could be that, sometimes the lack of integration into the society that puts us down.
I'm sure that if people, in general, where more open to integrating themselves in the "Swiss way of life" they would gain much more, aslo in the long term. I've already met some amazing and friendly swiss!

And hey, Zürich doesn't have only one girl. Go out there and meet them! Integrate! Summer is here!!
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It's not so much the prices that bother me, but what you get for what you pay. I don't mind paying for high quality served with promptness and a smile.
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..I meant I am fed up (with a girl) in Zurich.
Ok. Ayit. Soooo...how do the cash and girl relate? Service? What am I not getting..

Is this the office girl you wrote about the other day? Hope that girl you are fed up with has no access to interwebz.

Why do people complain about Zurich beats me.Try comparing Geneva and Zurich, yo. Zurich is friendly, reliable, easy and awesome (and cheaper than GE). Bern even more. It's just the tongues you are guys speaking there that are bewildering.

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OK, OK. I admit it. I meant I am fed up (with a girl) in Zurich.
Now we understand but you are getting even less sympathy for that excuse
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Yeah I feel you, I lived there for a year and the best decision I ever made was to leave Zurich and Switzerland for good. It's the most horrible place on earth ( I have lived in many countries and never went to a place where the locals think to humiliate you every day and only smile when they see your money is normal behavior) Besides the ugly 50s look of design, architecture, the lack of style, the east European communist architecture (Schweizer Qualität) and basically the total lack of a free market and transparant economy. I am still celebrating the fact that I left
Oh god, this tit's back again.

Do the words 'get over it' mean anything to you?

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Yes but how can you complain about high prices when I am sure a high salary goes into the bank every month.
Bless.
Do you think, even for a nano-second, that your "insight" hasn't been discussed to death & buried 6 ft under about 100 times on this forum?

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I love Zurcih! I have so much fun and it costs me ZERO CHF!
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try Basel for a change, it offers nice change of scenery, and service is generally a bit friendlier.
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After hundreds of trips into Zurich, it finally dawned on me: I am fed up with the place (I moved out into the countryside long ago). After finally finding a ridiculously expensive parking spot, paying exorbitant prices for mediocre food and lousy service, browsing overpriced shops (why would anybody actually buy something on Bahnhofstr.?) walking through the same sterile streets over and over again, then coming back home a couple hundred francs poorer with little to show for it, I ask myself: why did I even bother? Anyone else ever feel like that?
Is there another Hermès store elsewhere in Zurich ?
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Re: Fed up with Zurich

The sad thing is, until there aren't customers who pay willingly their big bucks for overpriced and poor service, it won't change dramatically or fast.

A friend of mine, an official EU interpreter, just stayed in a hotel here. She just called me and couldn't believe how expensive and horrific the hotel was, unhelpful staff, ugly and run down inside. But also, that her interpreting rate was a couple times more than what she usually makes in Brussels or Strasburg. So...there you go. We accept some nice things automatically, but keep nagging about the negative bits the nice things come with just because we are used to different standards.

I have local friends who return from Prague with gymbalz eyes rambling about how wonderful, easy and cheap the city is. When one lives there for years, experiences a couple of regimes, etc., has to deal with administration, unsafe places and corruption, it's all different.

I take overprised and lousy service here over unstable life elsewhere, since it is easy to avoid the negatives here. Nobody is pushing me pay cash, even if I had it, to bad restos or crappy choice of consumer goods with unreasonable opening hours.
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I love Zurcih! I have so much fun and it costs me ZERO CHF!
Nikkinikki, is that you?

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Fed up with Zurich?

Try the Oldmanc method to rejuvenate your batteries:
Get on a train to Ticino.
Lugano or Locarno.

It's always worked
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Re: Fed up with Zurich

Let's get one thing straight: "I dislike Zurich" does not mean "I dislike Switzerland", and "I dislike the Bahnhofstrasse" does not necessarily mean "Zurich is awful". In fact, I know a lot of people who love Switzerland but can't stand walking around in the Bahnhofstrasse - my OH being one of those. Actually, I dislike and avoid as much as possible Bahnhofstrasse too, mainly because of the overcrowding, but there are so many places I love in Zurich where I am delighted to go to, that really, I am quite happy to be here. Most days, at least.

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